Re^2: git for Perl projects?

This is slightly OT, but has anyone else noticed that a great diversification in tools is happening within the OSS community?

The most prominent example I can think of is the explosion in popularity of Perl "alternatives" - namely Python and Ruby.

Another example is version control. It seems that the emergence of Subversion has caused not only an explosion of options, but of entire paradigms - more specifically, centralized versus distributed.

It seems to me that there are different reasons for each of the examples above. I personally feel that Python has become popular not because it stole Perl users, but because it open the door for an underserved demographic of programmers. I don't know where to find the stats, but I would imagine that Python did not convert too many people who truly liked Perl. In fact, it seems to me that anyone who has switch simply liked Python better because it was more in line with their style or way of thinking. Most Python programmers I know find it nearly impossible to express their thoughts in Perl, but can do it naturally in Python. I am the exact opposite - and I imagine most PMs are the same way.

Regard version control, it seems more like the concept of doing such a thing has simply caught on as the right thing to do. This has therefore allowed the debate between VC methodologies (centralized vs distributed) to share the spot light that used to only illuminate the discussion about why one should use vc. Maybe it is just a matter of alternatives - there used to be only a handful of programming languages out there. Now there are thousands.

Part of me can't help but think that in addition to the above conclusion, there is a factor here that causes those who consider themselves "133t" to push higher into the more esoteric realms. What I mean to say is that while more people become "enlightened" about tools and practices, there is a certain group of intelligentsia that feel compelled to maintain their status wrt the common users by exploring more and more arcane methods. Maybe this is true, maybe it is not - if it is, I am also sure that it is a natural process that has been repeated many times before and I am just starting to notice it.

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Re^3: git for Perl projects? by kyle (Abbot) on Sep 28, 2007 at 16:01 UTC
I get the impression that both of the cases you cite are driven by dissatisfaction with the existing standard tools. Perl has been very successful, but it's not without its problems. Hence: Python, Ruby, and even Perl 6. Perhaps I see these projects as a reaction to Perl 5 because I am a Perl programmer, and that's my perspective. Nevertheless, all these project sound to me like someone is doing "Perl, as it should have been." Revision control is the same thing. CVS's problems have pained projects for ages, and Subversion aimed to fix that. The explosion in distributed RCS seems to stem from Linus Torvalds saying he needs that kind of system to work on Linux. Everybody knew that any system that would work for the mighty Linux would get a lot of attention (i.e., a good reputation). People tried to take the crown from BitKeeper, but ultimately Linus made his own solution (git). I suspect that after some more time passes, a number of the numerous RCS solutions out there are going to pass as well.	[reply]

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Re^3: git for Perl projects?
by kyle (Abbot) on Sep 28, 2007 at 16:01 UTC

I get the impression that both of the cases you cite are driven by dissatisfaction with the existing standard tools.

Perl has been very successful, but it's not without its problems. Hence: Python, Ruby, and even Perl 6. Perhaps I see these projects as a reaction to Perl 5 because I am a Perl programmer, and that's my perspective. Nevertheless, all these project sound to me like someone is doing "Perl, as it should have been."

Revision control is the same thing. CVS's problems have pained projects for ages, and Subversion aimed to fix that. The explosion in distributed RCS seems to stem from Linus Torvalds saying he needs that kind of system to work on Linux. Everybody knew that any system that would work for the mighty Linux would get a lot of attention (i.e., a good reputation). People tried to take the crown from BitKeeper, but ultimately Linus made his own solution (git). I suspect that after some more time passes, a number of the numerous RCS solutions out there are going to pass as well.

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