in reply to Re: Should Programmers Unionize?
in thread Should Programmers Unionize?

I agree with most of what you posted, and understand where you're coming from when I don't. However (you saw that coming):

I think people (including programmers) should be allowed to form unions. I also think that corporations should be allowed to toss them out and hire replacements, whether from another union, guild, or non-attached.

Which means a union has zero power. Which means a union is useless. Which implies unions shouldn't exist.

Most of all, the Democrats and Republicans need to be stripped of all the special perks and built-ins they've awarded themselves.

The original Bill of Rights included an amendment that required a Congressional pay increase et al be granted not to themselves, not to their successor Congress, but to the successor Congress after that. I wonder how different things would be today if it had been accepted...

I agree it would be nice if Congress would be bound by its own laws, but Conservatives would never stand for it.

Until we take back our government, we will all continue to be screwed, whether from the "left" or from the "right".

That's called an election. Otherwise, you're talking about eliminating the current Constitution.

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Re^3: Should Programmers Unionize?
by samizdat (Vicar) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:32 UTC
    apl: Which means a union has zero power. Which means a union is useless. Which implies unions shouldn't exist.

    Not at all. They should have as much power as they can maintain by being better and more worthwhile than other groups (organized or not) of workers.

    samizdat: Until we take back our government, we will all continue to be screwed, whether from the "left" or from the "right".

    apl: That's called an election. Otherwise, you're talking about eliminating the current Constitution.

    While I agree that it may never happen without revolution, I'm not advocating one. I'm just saying that the Dems and GOPs have stacked the deck to favor themselves in many and varied and sometimes evil ways. I also acknowledge that they do it with the complacency (read: ignorant acceptance) of the possibility-challenged in our society.

    My answer isn't politics. Politics in America is mostly a lost cause, in the present world, for the reason I've just stated. I work to help kids grow up smarter and more self-responsible, in the hopes that they will be able to set aside the mindless drivel they are 'taught' by all the high-powered one-way media and 'education' of our culture.

    Don Wilde
    "There's more than one level to any answer."
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      I'm just saying that the Dems and GOPs have stacked the deck to favor themselves in many and varied and sometimes evil ways.

      On that I can agree whole-heartedly. The Constitution does not authorize or empower political parties. While they used to be more organic (parties did come into existence, die, etc.) the current Big Two seem to taken steps to guarantee that they will remain in power.

      I work to help kids grow up smarter and more self-responsible

      I did that as a father to my son. 8-) How do you do this?
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        I do that, too.

        I cannot say more in public about my Big Push initiatives at the moment. Suffice it to say that it's both within my employment context and outside of it.

        Don Wilde
        "There's more than one level to any answer."
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