I'm the supposed "associate of the troublemaker" here.

He's referring to Class::DBI and DBIx::Class - except that I always was and still am on good terms with Tony Bowden (the maintainer of Class::DBI) and in fact he supported the creation of DBIx::Class, which was announced -before- the blow-up on the class-dbi mailing list (sadly by about two days, so lots of people managed to get the wrong impression) after a week's worth of offlist discussion between myself and Tony.

Sure, draw your own conclusions. But draw them from what actually happened, please - I was as unhappy about the demise of the list as anybody else and in fact the dbix-class list took Class::DBI questions during its first few weeks until the replacement cdbi-talk list could be set up. Anybody who doesn't believe me about this is welcome to go ask Tony :)

-- mst