Thanks, I have read the Readme top to bottom and it did not help. I brought some of my modules up to data (LWP for one) and that fixed DateTime. I can not fix the Crypt module no matter what I install. I tried the last command you gave me for the Crypt module and it makes it past the creation of Makefile.PL, but errors out during the make. I have reinstalled every module in the Readme, plus everything I could think of an I can not get it to build. I am using 5.8.4 (not sure if that matters).