Re^3: How do I pretend a reference isn't a reference

That said, as far as I can see, tie works only on named variables:
So in the process of solving one issue, I could be introducing many more.

Um. The problem is that your map is returning the return value from tie, instead of the tied variable.

If you change the map so:

   my @months = map{tie my $var, i18n::String2, $_; $var } qw(January 
+February);
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That problem goes away also. (I made a similar error myself earlier:)

Provided that your _(...) sub does the right thing, your users need never be aware that they are dealing with anything other than simple scalars.

So, trade your (one-time, up-front) care (and a little getting up to speed with the ins and outs of tie), as you develop your solution, for ongoing and continuous care by all your programmers?

Your choice, but I know which way I would go :)

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Re^4: How do I pretend a reference isn't a reference by clinton (Priest) on Nov 06, 2008 at 11:32 UTC
If you change the map so: `my @months = map{tie my $var, i18n::String2, $_; $var } qw(Januar +y February);` [download] That problem goes away also. (I made a similar error myself earlier:) Actually, it doesn't :) What is stored in `@months` is not `tie`'d anonymous variables, but the result of `FETCH`'ing `$var`. In other words, it does the translation at compile time, rather than at runtime. Clint	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^5: How do I pretend a reference isn't a reference by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Nov 06, 2008 at 11:42 UTC
Well yes, but isn't your use/implementation of map in the example just a for testing? In your original example you had: `my @days = ( _('Mon'),_('Tues'),_('Wed'),_('Thurs'),_('Fri'),_('Sat'),_('Sun') );` [download] So if your later example became `my @days = map _( $_ ), qw[ Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun ];` [download] with all the choosing of packages and tieing hidden inside `sub _{ ... }`, then the translation will be done at runtime as required? Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. "Too many [] have been sedated by an oppressive environment of political correctness and risk aversion."	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^6: How do I pretend a reference isn't a reference by clinton (Priest) on Nov 06, 2008 at 11:52 UTC
Well, my original example was defining the array `@days` at compile time, because that's going to be more efficient than: `sub day_of_week { my $self = shift; my @days = _('Mon'),_('Tues'),_('Wed'),_('Thurs'),_('Fri') +,_('Sat'),_('Sun'); return $days[ $self->{day_num} ]; }` [download] To give another example, I have about 3,000 lines of YAML config data, which gets loaded into a hash during initialisation. Some of that data will contain strings-to-be-translated, eg: `status: a: _('Active') i: _('Inactive')` [download] During init, I check all the scalar values in the config hash and, if they match the `_('...')` form, then I bless them into `i18n::String`. Doing this with `tie` wouldn't be feasible. Clint	[reply] [d/l] [select]