in reply to Re: Reference of constants and literals
in thread Reference of constants and literals

Hi

I just made the code and output clearer and added a question.

> You never pass an array or hash, just references to them. It's not even possible to pass arrays or hashes to subroutines.

Thats a matter of interpretation, the behaviour of  push @arr, "elem" can be reproduce with prototypes sub name (\@@)

Cheers Rolf

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Re^3: Reference of constants and literals
by ikegami (Patriarch) on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:44 UTC

    First of all, push is not a subroutine. I'll concentrate on your second example, sub name (\@@).

    While it could be a matter of interpretation in general, it's unequivocal in this case because we're talking about the value of $_[0]. The \@ prototype causes a reference to the array to be passed to the sub, not an array. $_[0] contains a reference, not an array. Printing \$_[0] would print a reference to a reference to an array, not a reference to an array.

      Push is a CORE:: subroutine which you can override, please check perlsub

      > Printing \$_[0] would print a reference to a reference to an array, not a reference to a reference.

      well the constant gets always at runtime a reallocated space, while the arrayref doesn't!!!

      here a code that makes it hopefully clearer.

      UPDATE: no it doesn't, passing a ref to a literal scalar works as wanted!!!

      use strict; use warnings; sub pr { print \$_[0]," : ",$_[0],"\t"; # print ref:value of para } check(qw/ Scalar 1 /); check(qw/ Scalarref \1 /); check(qw/ Array [1,2] /); check(qw/ Hash {1,2} /); sub check { my ($_title_,$type) = @_; my $_call_ ="pr $type;"; my $code= <<"__EOC"; for (1..3) { $_call_ print "\\n\\t"; for (1..3) { $_call_ } print "\\n"; } __EOC print "\n--- $_title_ \n"; print $code; eval $code; } __END__ --- Scalar for (1..3) { pr 1; print "\n\t"; for (1..3) { pr 1; } print "\n"; } SCALAR(0x81953b0) : 1 SCALAR(0x8190778) : 1 SCALAR(0x8190754) : 1 SCALAR(0x8190778 +) : 1 SCALAR(0x8190754) : 1 SCALAR(0x819076c) : 1 SCALAR(0x8190778) : 1 SCALAR(0x819076c +) : 1 SCALAR(0x8190778) : 1 SCALAR(0x81953b0) : 1 SCALAR(0x819076c) : 1 SCALAR(0x81953b0 +) : 1 --- Scalarref for (1..3) { pr \1; print "\n\t"; for (1..3) { pr \1; } print "\n"; } REF(0x8190754) : SCALAR(0x81953ec) REF(0x8190760) : SCALAR(0x8195428) REF(0x819073c) : SCALAR(0x81 +95428) REF(0x8190760) : SCALAR(0x8195428) REF(0x819073c) : SCALAR(0x81953ec) REF(0x81953b0) : SCALAR(0x8195428) REF(0x8190760) : SCALAR(0x81 +95428) REF(0x81953b0) : SCALAR(0x8195428) REF(0x8190760) : SCALAR(0x81953ec) REF(0x8190754) : SCALAR(0x8195428) REF(0x81953b0) : SCALAR(0x81 +95428) REF(0x8190754) : SCALAR(0x8195428) --- Array for (1..3) { pr [1,2]; print "\n\t"; for (1..3) { pr [1,2]; } print "\n"; } REF(0x8190754) : ARRAY(0x81953c8) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x819073c) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x8190 +73c) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x819073c) REF(0x8190754) : ARRAY(0x819073c) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x81953c8) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x8195 +3c8) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x81953c8) REF(0x8190754) : ARRAY(0x81953c8) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x819073c) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x8190 +73c) REF(0x8190724) : ARRAY(0x819073c) --- Hash for (1..3) { pr {1,2}; print "\n\t"; for (1..3) { pr {1,2}; } print "\n"; } REF(0x81953c8) : HASH(0x8154708) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x81953c8) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x81953c +8) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x81953c8) REF(0x8154708) : HASH(0x81953c8) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x8154708) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x815470 +8) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x8154708) REF(0x81953c8) : HASH(0x8154708) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x81953c8) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x81953c +8) REF(0x8190748) : HASH(0x81953c8)

      Cheers Rolf

        Push is a CORE:: subroutine which you can override, please check perlsub

        This is off topic. I wanted to ignore the push example to avoid going off topic.

        push is a named operator, which Perl calls "built-in function" or just "function". There are number of differences between subroutines and functions.

        As for CORE::push, it's very special. It's both a subroutine and a function depending how it's used. \&CORE::push returns a code ref, so it acts as a subroutine. But CORE::push(...) results in a push operator, not a subroutine call.

        well the constant gets always at runtime a reallocated space, while the arrayref doesn't!!!

        You haven't shown that the array ref doesn't get reallocated. To do so, you'd have to show that the array doesn't happen to get reallocated at the same memory address. All you have is a theory. One that's provably false.

        my $code= <<"__EOC"; my \@x; <-- added for (1..3) { $_call_ print "\\n\\t"; for (1..3) { $_call_ push \@x, 'x'; <-- added } print "\\n"; } __EOC
        --- Array my @x; for (1..3) { pr [1,2]; print "\n\t"; #UPDATE for (1..3) { pr [1,2]; push @x, 'x'; } print "\n"; } REF(0x18538d8) REF(0x18538c0) REF(0x185389c) REF(0x1853950) REF(0x185389c) REF(0x1853914) REF(0x1853920) REF(0x18538a8) REF(0x1853920) REF(0x1853884) REF(0x1853890) REF(0x185386c)

        And that brings me back to my earlier answer. The behaviour is not intentional. It's a fluke and relying on it is dangerous.

Re^3: Reference of constants and literals
by moritz (Cardinal) on Nov 24, 2008 at 10:34 UTC
    Thats a matter of interpretation, the behaviour of push @arr, "elem" can be reproduce with prototypes sub name (\@@)

    The prototype is just syntactic sugar for taking a reference (plus extra behaviour, for example enforcing list context), so independently of what it looks like on the caller side, the callee always sees a reference, never the array itself.

      prototypes are not only syntactic sugar, they are essential to syntax
      print prototype 'CORE::push'; # \@@

      Cheers Rolf

        Saying a feature is essential to syntax doesn't prove it's not syntactic sugar. If anything, it proves that it is.

        If a feature is syntactic sugar, it means the feature adds an alternate syntax rather than adding functionality.

        Since
        sub foo(\@@); foo(@a, 'x');
        and
        sub foo; foo(\@a, 'x');
        are equivalent, prototypes are syntactic sugar.