More specific about why whitespace rules suck or more specific about why the above 3 examples *you* asked for fit the bill? I can go in depth either way but rather give a focused answer. I'm not flaming you, so if this is about discussion please reply and if not, don't bother. And yes, perl 5 is what I mean when I say perl. Be ready for the same suffering twins go through when they're named practically the same after p6 is born, though.