blahblah has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:

Hello,

The Svn::Web module appears to be abandoned. I tried sending patches to Nik Clayton, the current maintainer, but never received a reply. The RT has a bunch of fixes available, but not applied.

Sadly, I don't have time to maintain this module as I am busy with other OSS software. I wish I did. Whats the next step to breath life back into this very well organized and nice module?

blahblah

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Re: Abandoned SVN::Web module
by jettero (Monsignor) on Jul 20, 2009 at 00:40 UTC

    I have some recent experience in this matter and I have some tips:

    1. try very hard to contact the maintainers, original creators, and anybody else who's ever uploaded a copy. Learn from PAUSE which user ids have admin and which have write perms and contact all those people.
    2. post somewhere about your intentions to take over the module, somewhere high profile, like this site. You'll get frontpaged, and you'll maybe attract some attentions of people in the know.
    3. After the above, go ahead and post to the list that you wish to take over. It'll take a month, so...
    4. Be really polite, respectful, and persistent. Check in every week. It's slow, but it works out in the end.

    Woah, I missed the part where you don't have time to maintain it, before I started blabbing on and on. That's the biggest problem with any module with lots of tickets and patches. Choose to be the guy that makes the time to apply patches and upload, it's worth it. It's just a couple hours here and there and you'll save someone some headaches.

    If not, much of the above still applies, I'm sure.

    -Paul

Re: Abandoned SVN::Web module
by Anonymous Monk on Jul 20, 2009 at 11:23 UTC
Re: Abandoned SVN::Web module
by aufflick (Deacon) on Jul 21, 2009 at 02:14 UTC
    A related issue is that the Subversion/Perl Swig bindings are really painful to build. Getting them from an OS/distribution package is great if you are using the corresponding perl and subversion packages. If you have a different perl and/or subversion build then you're on your own.

    I made a stab ages ago at building a simple direct Perl/XS binding to the SVN libs but never got enough time and finally got the SVN bindings building properly in our build system.

    This dependency seems to me the biggest barrier to user and developer adoption to SVN::Web. I ended up deciding that using Trac or Warehouse (from the Lighthouse app people) was an easier route, especially since my desire to tweak was low. Of course if you want to tweak in Perl then those solutions won't help.

      A related issue is that the Subversion/Perl Swig bindings are really painful to build. Getting them from an OS/distribution package is great if you are using the corresponding perl and subversion packages. If you have a different perl and/or subversion build then you're on your own.

      Alien::SVN, since 2007. Works on *nix, but MinGW still requires manual intervention.

Re: Abandoned SVN::Web module
by spazm (Monk) on Jul 21, 2009 at 01:45 UTC
    Slightly off topic: What does SVN::Web provide to make it better/worse/distinct from the other SVN web front ends? ViewVC for instance (yeah, that's python).

    Perhaps a good enough pitch and I'll want to take it over?

      - Its written in Perl is really the major selling point to me. Perl is constantly loosing ground to other software, and no longer occupies the top spot in many areas it once did. This is a case where the perl offering is top-tier and also provides a great example to perl coders of how to gracefully abstract a lot of functionality, in my opinion.

      - The functionality is clean and its easy to add hooks for linking to bug trackers or adding additional features.

      - The diff's can be plain text or colored. The default theme is nice and easy to customize.

      In the end, it's not light years ahead of ViewVC, or any other viewer - but how much ground remains to be broken in that arena anyhow? It does what it does very well, and its Perl. And for those reasons I would enjoy seeing it stick around.

      Those reasons also indicate the maintenance would be fairly low. It just needs a maintainer to keep the installs up to date with subversion.

      I suppose at this point its obvious I'm not in sales for a living. But mabye it can sell itself:

      test drive SVN::Web

      blahblah

      Robert Browning on being asked what some line in one of his poems meant said
      'When I wrote it only God and Robert Browning knew. Now only God knows.'