O yeah, I got it, I am thinking of working more with references than to worry about what a user-defined-data type is, I googled it up and guess what, I get this node in the search results returned back to me, the other results out there did not address the issue quite from this perspective so it was perplexing...

so I am like let it lay low for a little while and I'd come back at it with sharper filed teeth :P..

with regard to ternary operator, I am cool with it, and to that end I would use it ..thanks for the support everyone and thanks YourMother, you're there as usual :) _________________________________________________________________________