in reply to Re^5: Not Safe For Work threads
in thread Not Safe For Work threads [NSFW]

"Diversity". "Welcoming to all". Agrrrr. What a ... nonsense. Your "dreadful gender diversity ratio" has got nothing to do whatsoever with the workplace environment dude. Males and females are different! Which doesn't mean there can't be (good) female developers, but it does mean that females IN GENERAL do not TEND TO WANT to be developers. Just like males do not tend to want to go to some other careers. With exceptions of course. You'd have to FORCE females to choose the career if you wanted to have "good" diversity. There's nothing preventing a female from choosing the career and some silly word on some whiteboard will not change that.

All this diversity quota stuff is racism and sexism at its worst.

Jenda
Enoch was right!
Enjoy the last years of Rome.

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Re^7: Not Safe For Work threads
by TGI (Parson) on Jan 14, 2010 at 21:15 UTC

    Thank goodness you didn't call it "reverse-racism" or "reverse-sexism" or you would have triggered me to rant. Racism is racism, no matter who is discriminating against who.

    While it is pretty clear that men and women are different, it is not clear how much of the difference is cultural vs biological. To the extent that we culturally exclude people from desirable work, we are failing to support individual liberty.

    If a career is seen as female only (say nursing), a man may not be actively excluded in training or recruitment programs. However, if all his co-workers are women, then you will naturally be excluded. Many people will move on to a more welcoming work site or career. If you can get a small group of men working in that same position, then the exclusion effect is lessened. It becomes easier to recruit and retain men into that role.

    It works the same way with primarily male or racially monolithic work environments.

    There may be nothing (except perception) preventing a woman from choosing to work in IT, but there are plenty of things encouraging them to move on to another profession.

    Quotas and affirmative action are difficult subjects. Racism and sexism in any form is offensive. Yet, if a career is seen as exclusively male or white, it can be extremely difficult to overturn those notions so that the *ist inequality (the cultural component of the disparity) is addressed. Mechanisms like social proof and in and out group biases help to keep mostly single race/gender occupations segregated. To overcome these forces some sort of blunt instrument is needed.

    So, while affirmative action rankles, I don't know a better solution. I'd love to hear one suggested, actually.

    But this topic isn't even about AA, its about what is NSFW and why. Some people are over-sensitive. If I had to explain what the `goatse` operator was to someone who I thought would be easily offended, I would say:

    It is named after a disgusting shock image that was commonly posted to internet sites in the late 90s. If you want to know more I suggest you google it on your own time, but be warned that it is very shocking and is of a sexual nature.

    If you work someplace with a strict filtering policy, and they churn alarms at you for stumbling upon a naughty word in a post at PM, as long as you have a good work related reason to be here, then you will be fine. I'd go so far as to mention the incident to my supervisor. However, if you jump up and down and make unwelcome, sexually explicit comments about the goatse operator and spread-eagle to your coworkers (whatever their gender), then you have a problem.

    It's amazing how much of what troubles people can be solved by mere politeness. Name calling and exclusionary tactics (such as standard, PC nonsense) don't solve anything.


    TGI says moo

Re^7: Not Safe For Work threads
by IBlowGoatsSucker (Beadle) on Jan 11, 2010 at 15:06 UTC
    Oh my god, you are so right! Women were born to breed children (it's in the name, WOmen comes from womb), and they don't like to do anything else. If they need to work they can be nurses, fashion designers or cooks, jobs no normal man would take. Women who work in IT are subverting the Lord's will, it's not natural! Clearly, the 28% of women who currently work in IT and engineering in the US were forced to do so against their will! Probably their parents were communists! Another proof: in Malaysia there are as many women as men in IT, and it is an overwhelmingly Islamic country, which makes Jesus cry. Don't force women to take an IT job by not being a total jerk!

      When it comes to intentional misunderstanding you must have tried really really hard.

      And yes, they were born to breed children. Among milions of other things. They can work as anything they want sweetheart. They just tend to choose different jobs. THEMSELVES! And no, there would not be 28% of women in IT, if it was not for years' long "oh my gawd, we don't have enough women in IT" campaigns. And if companies were not compelled to watch their "diversity". There would be some women in IT. There would be some great women in IT. Actually all the good and great women that are in IT would be in IT even without the campaigns. And would get jobs even without the "jeeesus, we've got only 13.717% of women in the workforce, we've got to hire some. And since we are also short on blacks (go to hell with the afroamerican newspeak!) they've got to be black. And we've got to hire them now, before the SaRQ officers find out!"

      The Diversion and Inclusion laws are racist and sexist!

      Jenda
      Enoch was right!
      Enjoy the last years of Rome.

        Yes, and the women who work in IT now, forced into the job by racist and sexist laws, they all hate it, because it's not natural. They go home in the evenings and cry because they really wanted to be knitters and babysitters. After all, they were forced to take these unsuitable jobs by a cruel government, they never would have spent the time at university if it weren't for the FBI knocking at their door and forcing them to . In fact, the only thing that makes women in IT jobs feel good about themselves is when their male colleagues make sexist remarks about them. For example, telling them that they're working in jobs which are unnatural for women really gives them the warm and fuzzies.

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