in reply to Perl Monks good for Beginners?

I think the reason why the attitude on perlmonks is much better than on comp.lang.perl.misc is simple: the voting system.

If you get involved in the Monastery you are at least mildly interested in the XP scheme. Even merlyn and his self-proclaimed disdain for it was quite happy to rack-up the XPs when he started to answer questions faster than anybody could ask them!

What are the consequences when a beginner ask a question, no matter how easy it is to find the answer in the docs:

In short the system drives people to answer, and to do so in a friendly manner, rather than in a harsh tone.

In a way the voting system just formalizes peer pressure

So I guess it is not surprising that very few of the newsgroup regulars participates in perlmonks: about the only feedback mechanism (and way of building a reputation) on usenet is called flame wars! Not quite appropriate for civil discussions, not very friendly to beginners, and certainly very different from their usual MO.

Interestingly enough the system also rewards good questions and monk's involvement, so after a couple of basic-level questions it seems that most people here start learning on their own, answering questions, and overall bringing their knowledge to the community instead of just asking to be spoon fed information.

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Re: Re: Perl Monks good for Beginners?
by bluto (Curate) on May 31, 2001 at 19:43 UTC
    I agree with this 100%. I would only add that I think PM is better than usenet for newbies and japhs since the signal to noise ration is a lot better. Here I can find a lot of persistent info that has been reviewed (i.e. Q&A, Reviews, Tutorials, Snippets, etc).

    Usenet has the same premise, but it doesn't work anymore. One person posts some info, another comes along and adds 17 changes, others come along doing the same with or without tact or clue. If you are lucky, the orignal author posts an updated copy. If you are really lucky, 3 months down the road you can actually retrieve the updated copy, with a news search enginge, without having to weed through more than 10 or 15 other posts that you wish you didn't have to read. At PM, the info and/or comments can be fixed or obliterated as needed. It's not perfect, but in the short time I've been here, I've felt no compelling need to go back and look at clpm.