Okay - whoa I never said that ALL Perl programmers do those things I said we have SOME of those things in common - I think you would agree that you would have more in common with a Perl programmer than say a salesman on AVERAGE - of course there are no absolutes in the world when it comes to people - I think people are starting to dissect this post a little to much - my take on Perl culture was really just that MY take - perl culture to me is THIS