in reply to How do North Americans find Europe as a workplace?

On a slightly-related question, I wonder if (and if so, how) “North Americans” (i.e. “Americans”) might be able to telecommute to European, or other, countries.   Is it possible?   Is it legal?   Does it work?

Mind you, in tilting the conversation in such a direction, I emphatically do not want to trespass upon the well-established and very sensible caveat of “no jobs postings here,” which is very clearly stated and with which I entirely agree.   I do not wish to go there, nor even to come close.   Yet, this discussion (which I do not believe to be a trespass, although that is merely my opinion) does appear to be related ...

If anyone disagrees, just ignore this tangent...

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Re^2: How do North Americans find Europe as a workplace?
by talexb (Chancellor) on Aug 18, 2010 at 02:55 UTC

    Regarding telecommuting to Europe from North America, my gut response is "Nope -- wouldn't work."

    That's based on my experience while working in Germany in 1980 -- at 4pm on Fridays, we would down tools (well, step away from our keyboards) and have a wonderful little party with snacks, beer and wine. The artificial pecking order would disappear, and we'd all chat as equals, hearing about the news, the families, our plans for the weekend.

    My brother is currently working in Italy, and described a colleague who talked about who she knew in the business on their first meeting. He thought that was odd, then as he met more people discovered that this was a way of people showing their bona fides.

    Thus, from these scant two examples, I'm left with the impression that social relationships appear more important in Europe than they are in North America, which would suggest that telecommuting (working without much face to face social interaction) wouldn't work.

    The other, relatively minor detail is that Europe is six to ten timezones ahead of North America, so unless one was working on a totally independent project, it would be a graveyard shift kind of job.

    Alex / talexb / Toronto

    "Groklaw is the open-source mentality applied to legal research" ~ Linus Torvalds

      Hi thalexb, I'm happy to hear you have spent nice time in Germany in 80ies as I'm currently living and working in Germany. I just want to warn you that times have changed and you most likely will find no Friday afternoon party anymore in most german offices.

      Sure it depends on a company and there are for sure some lucky guys who are still working like a family but most of the time there is a pretty dry atmosphere. I would say spanisch, italian and french people are more like you described: they are very interested on social contacts and spend a lot of time talking about their interests.

      Don't worry, Europe is for sure amazing and you should take a chance to spent some time here if you find a job or have enough money to stay here without working. Just be aware of time is changing and (this is always the best) don't carry any expectations with you.

Re^2: How do North Americans find Europe as a workplace?
by BioLion (Curate) on Aug 18, 2010 at 07:48 UTC

    Certainly can work, it is difficult though (for the record I am in the UK, but work with people in Toronto).

    The time difference is the main problem, if both sides want to work '9-5' style hours, because getting face time is difficult. In a similar vein that back and forth of 'I am trying this, but it isn't working -- any ideas?' becomes very difficult and you need to be much more organised and utilise what direct communication time you do have.

    I am not sure about the legal issues, but I have a friend who runs an IT business and he tele-employs people all over the world (inc. Australia and US), but works from the UK. I am sure there are tax issues, but they can be overcome... Like I said, the main issue is organisation and communication, but with hard work and clear rules and openness it is certainly possible.

    The increasing amount of ways to connect (Skype etc...) does make all this easier though...

    Just my two pence/cents.

    Just a something something...
Re^2: How do North Americans find Europe as a workplace?
by JavaFan (Canon) on Aug 18, 2010 at 07:47 UTC
    I've worked in a place in Europe that had some people telecommute from Mexico. So I know it's both possible and legal. Never had much to do with them so how well it worked, I'm not sure of. But AFAIK, they're still telecommuting from Mexico. I've also done consulting gigs for banks were people on other continents were effectively telecommuting. (That didn't always work very well, but it probably wouldn't have worked very well either if they were sitting down the hallway).

    What often happens with foreign telecommuters is that the business creates a small daughter company in the country the telecommuters work in, and hires the telecommuters via the local daughter company.