I guess we (I mean you and I) have different understanding on what a framework is.

The best online definition I could find of a framework in this context is at http://parlab.eecs.berkeley.edu/wiki/patterns/glossary which is fairly authoratative:

Framework: A framework is a software environment organized around a software architecture that allows for programmer customizations only in harmony with the software architecture

Which mirrors the kind of crtisisms I've been levelling at them when I've said: They proscribe the entire architecture of your application; and: They prevent you from using all the tools in your toolbox.

My own definition is a simple test. Do I call them; or do they call me? The former is a library, the latter a framework. (That line can be blurred.)

I don't see any reason to argue about this. I'm trying to respect personal dislikes :)

Agreed! One man's squishy, slimey, salty yuk, is another man's caviare :)