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Re^2: Mugged by UTF8, this CANNOT be right
by Jim (Curate) on Jan 27, 2011 at 01:01 UTC

    This thread is yet another one of countless similar PerlMonks threads about Perl's Unicode support that immediately devolves into a discussion (debate) about how it all works, how it doesn't work, what the bugs are, what worked for him when he tried foo, what worked for her when she tried bar, and so on and so forth.

    I didn't study the thread, but I read enough of it to make my head explode.

    I haven't yet found any explanation of Perl's Unicode model I can understand and use to write Perl programs that handle Unicode text consistently and reliably in any of the Perl documentation or in any discussion threads or tutorials on PerlMonks.

      The reason is that the DBDs are buggy, but this wasn't mentioned clearly, causing confusion.

      I haven't yet found any explanation of Perl's Unicode model I can understand and use to write Perl programs that handle Unicode text consistently and reliably in any of the Perl documentation or in any discussion threads or tutorials on PerlMonks.

      Decode inputs. Encode outputs. This will leave you only the bugs, and one can usually work around them using utf8::upgrade or utf8::downgrade.

      The catch is that there are LOTS of inputs and outputs to a program. It would be nice to be warned when one is missed. This would require languages to have different types for encoded and decoded strings. That flags I mentioned earlier would achieve this.

        I realize this is the conventional wisdom among the cognoscenti and what some of the Perl documentation tells you to do, but it flies in the face of both the reasonable expectations of many Perl programmers (tosh and I, for example) and a lot of existing documentation. How often do you see a Perl command-line script in a book or a code example in a perldoc page that decodes its input and encodes its output? Not very often.

        I've been trying to sort out an elusive problem I'm having with Unicode text queried from a Microsoft Office Access database. To this end, I wrote a trivial test script:

        #!perl # # Characters.pl use strict; use warnings; use open qw( :utf8 :std ); use DBI qw( data_string_desc ); use Encode qw( decode_utf8 ); use English qw( -no_match_vars ); my $mdb = 'Characters.mdb'; my $dsn = "dbi:ODBC:driver=Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb);dbq=$mdb"; my $dbh = DBI->connect($dsn, '', '', { PrintError => 0, RaiseError => 1, }); my $query = q( SELECT Windows1252Encoding, UnicodeCodePoint, UnicodeCharacter, UnicodeUTF8Encoding, UnicodeName FROM Characters ORDER BY Windows1252Encoding ); my $sth = $dbh->prepare($query); $sth->execute(); local $OUTPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR = "\n"; local $OUTPUT_FIELD_SEPARATOR = "\t"; while (my $row = $sth->fetchrow_hashref()) { $row->{UnicodeCharacter} = decode_utf8($row->{UnicodeCharacter}); print $row->{Windows1252Encoding}, $row->{UnicodeCodePoint}, $row->{UnicodeCharacter}, $row->{UnicodeUTF8Encoding}, $row->{UnicodeName}, data_string_desc($row->{UnicodeCharacter}); } $dbh->disconnect(); exit 0;

        And here's the data in the Characters table of the Characters.mdb database. All of this data is in Text (255) columns in the Characters table.

        0x80	U+20AC	€	E2 82 AC	EURO SIGN
        0x82	U+201A	‚	E2 80 9A	SINGLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK
        0x83	U+0192	ƒ	C6 92	LATIN SMALL LETTER F WITH HOOK
        0x84	U+201E	„	E2 80 9E	DOUBLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK
        0x85	U+2026	…	E2 80 A6	HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS
        0x86	U+2020	†	E2 80 A0	DAGGER
        0x87	U+2021	‡	E2 80 A1	DOUBLE DAGGER
        0x88	U+02C6	ˆ	CB 86	MODIFIER LETTER CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT
        0x89	U+2030	‰	E2 80 B0	PER MILLE SIGN
        0x8A	U+0160	Š	C5 A0	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH CARON
        0x8B	U+2039	‹	E2 80 B9	SINGLE LEFT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
        0x8C	U+0152	Œ	C5 92	LATIN CAPITAL LIGATURE OE
        0x8E	U+017D	Ž	C5 BD	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z WITH CARON
        0x91	U+2018	‘	E2 80 98	LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
        0x92	U+2019	’	E2 80 99	RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK
        0x93	U+201C	“	E2 80 9C	LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
        0x94	U+201D	”	E2 80 9D	RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
        0x95	U+2022	•	E2 80 A2	BULLET
        0x96	U+2013	–	E2 80 93	EN DASH
        0x97	U+2014	—	E2 80 94	EM DASH
        0x98	U+02DC	˜	CB 9C	SMALL TILDE
        0x99	U+2122	™	E2 84 A2	TRADE MARK SIGN
        0x9A	U+0161	š	C5 A1	LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH CARON
        0x9B	U+203A	›	E2 80 BA	SINGLE RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
        0x9C	U+0153	œ	C5 93	LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE
        0x9E	U+017E	ž	C5 BE	LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON
        0x9F	U+0178	Ÿ	C5 B8	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
        0xA1	U+00A1	¡	C2 A1	INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK
        0xA2	U+00A2	¢	C2 A2	CENT SIGN
        0xA3	U+00A3	£	C2 A3	POUND SIGN
        0xA4	U+00A4	¤	C2 A4	CURRENCY SIGN
        0xA5	U+00A5	¥	C2 A5	YEN SIGN
        0xA6	U+00A6	¦	C2 A6	BROKEN BAR
        0xA7	U+00A7	§	C2 A7	SECTION SIGN
        0xA8	U+00A8	¨	C2 A8	DIAERESIS
        0xA9	U+00A9	©	C2 A9	COPYRIGHT SIGN
        0xAA	U+00AA	ª	C2 AA	FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
        0xAB	U+00AB	«	C2 AB	LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
        0xAC	U+00AC	¬	C2 AC	NOT SIGN
        0xAD	U+00AD	­	C2 AD	SOFT HYPHEN
        0xAE	U+00AE	®	C2 AE	REGISTERED SIGN
        0xAF	U+00AF	¯	C2 AF	MACRON
        0xB0	U+00B0	°	C2 B0	DEGREE SIGN
        0xB1	U+00B1	±	C2 B1	PLUS-MINUS SIGN
        0xB2	U+00B2	²	C2 B2	SUPERSCRIPT TWO
        0xB3	U+00B3	³	C2 B3	SUPERSCRIPT THREE
        0xB4	U+00B4	´	C2 B4	ACUTE ACCENT
        0xB5	U+00B5	µ	C2 B5	MICRO SIGN
        0xB6	U+00B6	¶	C2 B6	PILCROW SIGN
        0xB7	U+00B7	·	C2 B7	MIDDLE DOT
        0xB8	U+00B8	¸	C2 B8	CEDILLA
        0xB9	U+00B9	¹	C2 B9	SUPERSCRIPT ONE
        0xBA	U+00BA	º	C2 BA	MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR
        0xBB	U+00BB	»	C2 BB	RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
        0xBC	U+00BC	¼	C2 BC	VULGAR FRACTION ONE QUARTER
        0xBD	U+00BD	½	C2 BD	VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF
        0xBE	U+00BE	¾	C2 BE	VULGAR FRACTION THREE QUARTERS
        0xBF	U+00BF	¿	C2 BF	INVERTED QUESTION MARK
        0xC0	U+00C0	À	C3 80	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH GRAVE
        0xC1	U+00C1	Á	C3 81	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH ACUTE
        0xC2	U+00C2	Â	C3 82	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xC3	U+00C3	Ã	C3 83	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH TILDE
        0xC4	U+00C4	Ä	C3 84	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS
        0xC5	U+00C5	Å	C3 85	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE
        0xC6	U+00C6	Æ	C3 86	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE
        0xC7	U+00C7	Ç	C3 87	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA
        0xC8	U+00C8	È	C3 88	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH GRAVE
        0xC9	U+00C9	É	C3 89	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH ACUTE
        0xCA	U+00CA	Ê	C3 8A	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xCB	U+00CB	Ë	C3 8B	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS
        0xCC	U+00CC	Ì	C3 8C	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
        0xCD	U+00CD	Í	C3 8D	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH ACUTE
        0xCE	U+00CE	Î	C3 8E	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xCF	U+00CF	Ï	C3 8F	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS
        0xD0	U+00D0	Ð	C3 90	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH
        0xD1	U+00D1	Ñ	C3 91	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH TILDE
        0xD2	U+00D2	Ò	C3 92	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH GRAVE
        0xD3	U+00D3	Ó	C3 93	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH ACUTE
        0xD4	U+00D4	Ô	C3 94	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xD5	U+00D5	Õ	C3 95	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH TILDE
        0xD6	U+00D6	Ö	C3 96	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS
        0xD7	U+00D7	×	C3 97	MULTIPLICATION SIGN
        0xD8	U+00D8	Ø	C3 98	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE
        0xD9	U+00D9	Ù	C3 99	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH GRAVE
        0xDA	U+00DA	Ú	C3 9A	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH ACUTE
        0xDB	U+00DB	Û	C3 9B	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xDC	U+00DC	Ü	C3 9C	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
        0xDD	U+00DD	Ý	C3 9D	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE
        0xDE	U+00DE	Þ	C3 9E	LATIN CAPITAL LETTER THORN
        0xDF	U+00DF	ß	C3 9F	LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
        0xE0	U+00E0	à	C3 A0	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH GRAVE
        0xE1	U+00E1	á	C3 A1	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH ACUTE
        0xE2	U+00E2	â	C3 A2	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xE3	U+00E3	ã	C3 A3	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH TILDE
        0xE4	U+00E4	ä	C3 A4	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS
        0xE5	U+00E5	å	C3 A5	LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE
        0xE6	U+00E6	æ	C3 A6	LATIN SMALL LETTER AE
        0xE7	U+00E7	ç	C3 A7	LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA
        0xE8	U+00E8	è	C3 A8	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE
        0xE9	U+00E9	é	C3 A9	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE
        0xEA	U+00EA	ê	C3 AA	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xEB	U+00EB	ë	C3 AB	LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS
        0xEC	U+00EC	ì	C3 AC	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE
        0xED	U+00ED	í	C3 AD	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH ACUTE
        0xEE	U+00EE	î	C3 AE	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xEF	U+00EF	ï	C3 AF	LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS
        0xF0	U+00F0	ð	C3 B0	LATIN SMALL LETTER ETH
        0xF1	U+00F1	ñ	C3 B1	LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH TILDE
        0xF2	U+00F2	ò	C3 B2	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH GRAVE
        0xF3	U+00F3	ó	C3 B3	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH ACUTE
        0xF4	U+00F4	ô	C3 B4	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xF5	U+00F5	õ	C3 B5	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH TILDE
        0xF6	U+00F6	ö	C3 B6	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS
        0xF7	U+00F7	÷	C3 B7	DIVISION SIGN
        0xF8	U+00F8	ø	C3 B8	LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE
        0xF9	U+00F9	ù	C3 B9	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH GRAVE
        0xFA	U+00FA	ú	C3 BA	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH ACUTE
        0xFB	U+00FB	û	C3 BB	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH CIRCUMFLEX
        0xFC	U+00FC	ü	C3 BC	LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
        0xFD	U+00FD	ý	C3 BD	LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE
        0xFE	U+00FE	þ	C3 BE	LATIN SMALL LETTER THORN
        0xFF	U+00FF	ÿ	C3 BF	LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
        

        I get the exact same output whether I decode the input or not. The statement…

        $row->{UnicodeCharacter} = decode_utf8($row->{UnicodeCharacter});

        …is a no-op. The string returned by the DBI utility function data_string_desc() is always 'UTF8 on, non-ASCII, 1 characters 2 [or 3] bytes', regardless of whether or not I decode the queried text.

        So do you see how I could easily be lulled into thinking I shouldn't have to decode strings of text (not binary data!) queried from a Text datatype column in a Microsoft Office Access database that stores all data in Unicode?