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in thread Mugged by UTF8, this CANNOT be right

The problems he is having relate to encodings, and that has nothing to do with Unicode.
Except that he's having problems with Unicode encodings. In spite of protestations to the contrary, the term Unicode really refers to a standard and that standard includes definitions of encodings. IMO, it is a permissible shorthand to say Unicode encodings (or similar) as a shorthand for one or more of the encodings embodied in the Unicode standard(s) (or similar). The former is certainly easier on the senses and (again, IMO) is pretty unambiguous.

Note: I did not say that Unicode is synonymous with encoding. But saying that Unicode is not an encoding is every bit as incomplete a statement as saying that Unicode refers only to the encoding parts of the standard(s).

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Re^10: Mugged by UTF8, this CANNOT be right
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 27, 2011 at 20:20 UTC
    Damn NodeReader, so that is the level of pedantry that elicits a response from you :) wow
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Re^10: Mugged by UTF8, this CANNOT be right
by ikegami (Patriarch) on Jan 27, 2011 at 20:39 UTC

    Except that he's having problems with Unicode encodings.

    He didn't specify which encodings are involved, and it really doesn't matter. He's having problems with encodings, and he'd have the same problems no matter which encoding were involved.

    as a shorthand for one or more of the encodings embodied in the Unicode standard(s)

    There are no encodings embodied in the Unicode standard. At least that's what I was told, and I don't see any myself. Feel free to point out where.

    So again, Perl is great at handling Unicode. It's probably the best at it. Perl's support is so good that the Consortium is asking for advice from Perl's developers in defining behaviour that it never defined well because noone else had attempted to implement it yet.

    Encodings, that's another issue. That's what was being discussed.

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      There are no encodings embodied in the Unicode standard. At least that's what I was told, and I don't see any myself. Feel free to point out where.
      See section 3.9 in this PDF. This is a draft of Unicode 6.0, but this section has been in the Unicode standard for some time.
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        Thanks, I stand corrected.
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        If you're such an expert, why not just point out that UTF means Unicode Transformation Format and have that as the coup d'grace. Hmmm???
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