in reply to How to ask a question in the Perl community, and where to ask it

Some quick notes. Please forgive the terseness.

Here's the diagram

Cute. Possibly useful. I've heard of IRC and channels, don't use 'em. Suggestions to make it more universally useful:

  1. Organize this into a text list of resources, perhaps HTML with links;
  2. Organize by type of medium (Chat, E-Mail, Web-based, etc.);
  3. Remove judgements.

NOTE: Not everyone has, or will have, the same problems with the same people as you. It is generally pointless to insert your personal feelings into a device deisgned to help people who are, by definition, not you.

HUMOR: Unless, of course, you are actually arrogant enough to presume that everyone has your failings. In which case, you won't finish reading my post anyway :-). Point being, you have your failings, I have mine. Please don't presume mine are the same as yours. Just the facts. That's what makes a good resource.

The following three reddit posts ticket me off

I can't figure out what in those posts were a problem. This is probably due to my lack of familiarity with reddit, as this is the first I've heard of it.

I request your comments and I'd like to know:

Okay, here goes.

do you like Perl ?

Absolutely, yes. Fun, fast, flexible, wow! Portable to any environment with a Perl interpretter. Yum!

do you like the Perl community ?

Yes, generally, for as much of it as I have seen. Apparently I haven't really seen much of it.

did you ever had any problems with harsh answers or bans on IRC ?

No. (To be fair, this might be because I've never gone there.)

do you think that the Perl community needs some reorganization ?

No. Much of software engineering is still art, and art defies organization. The science part is, in my opinion, reasonably well-covered with places like Perlmonks and CPAN, and that plus a good search engine will get you a large part of the way towards moving past the science and back into the art, which does, as previously noted, defy organization.

do you feel like irc.perl.org is controlled by a gang ?

No. (See caveat above.)

do you feel that #perl on Freenode is too strict ?

No. (See caveat above.)

do you feel like ops on #perl on Freenode or on some channels in irc.perl.org are being idiotic ?

No. (See caveat above.)

what would you change in the Perl community?

Loaded question. A community is, by definition, comprised of people. I wish everyone looking for information was articulate, accurate, and honest. I wish everyone answering those inquiries was polite, patient, and skilled in the art of assistance. But the real world has all kinds of people, and the Perl community is no different. So we do the best we can and adjust to what we find. That's Life, and I'm not about to condone anyone imposing their draconian views on others. Smells too much like Tyranny and not enough like Liberty. If I don't like Community X, I am free to stop going there.

Bottom line: Go where you get the help you need, or where you successfully provide what help you can. You are empowered to solve your own problems. If there is no community out there that fits your needs, perhaps you need to create a new community. Diversity yields many things; sometimes they're even useful.

Sorry you're having such difficulty, but it is wise to change the things you can, accept the things you cannot, and to be able to tell the difference.

Not all of us get there at the same pace.

Whereever "there" is.

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