Logicus, if your end conclusion were true, I would not be here. I am a class-A dunce here most of the time. You do not know how many times I have overcomplicated my code, only to be nicely shown a simpler way of doing things. The people here have been really great to me over the years though the nasty and nice. I still don't know everything I should, but they encourage me to grow all the time but don't expect me to know everything, thank GUH! These people are saints in my eyes.