If you want help, all it costs you is an honest and civil tongue.

By all means, if you find any particular question or comment incivil feel free to ignore it or to respond with "I find this incivility unhelpful."

However, following someone around to berate him repeatedly is, as I see it, inexcusably incivil and I prefer a PerlMonks without such behavior.

However, following someone around to berate him repeatedly is, as I see it, inexcusably incivil and I prefer a PerlMonks without such behavior.

Me too!

I've responded to a dozen nodes by Logicus, but I don't follow him around, and I doubt anyone else does either. New posts show up in Newest Nodes, we read, we respond.

Just the other day jdrago999 responded to Logicus about plack, all civil like, as if Logicus was not Logicus but a regular user, like jdrago999 has been doing for many nodes.

The only constant is Logicus , and quite simply, he has all but worn out his welcome -- you just can't go lying and cussing for 300 nodes and expect people to forget, and keep their cool, and then keep banging your drum like nothing happened.

It works when Logicus veers to a different topic, but as soon as he is back banging his drum, well, you gotta expect someone to be a bastard

I have given up on Logicus, but I'm glad to see jdrago999 has not.

I applaud jdrago999 for his courage, for trying to get through to Logicus.

I am frustrated by Logicus' oversensitivity to criticism.

Just the other day jdrago999 responded to Logicus about plack, all civil like, as if Logicus was not Logicus but a regular user, like jdrago999 has been doing for many nodes.

Logicus asked a question - like normal people do. He wasn't going off about how totally awesome ______ is and how elitist we all are if we don't agree with him.

I am not on a war path looking for Logicus' posts just to downvote him into oblivion. I think that sometimes people have great difficulty in making the connection between their own behavior and the response they receive from others. I reward Logicus for behaving in a civil manner (eg: asking questions, adding something constructive to a discussion, etc). If someone behaves as Logicus has in his other posts, I have no problem shooting off a response like I did above.

Maybe the "sit down, shut up and have some humble pie" comment turned sour the rest of my post. Maybe it was the inspiration for the rest of my post.

The idea that the monks sit around, waiting for Logicus to post so that we can attack him is...absurd. The idea that the monks are (collectively) elitist to the point of being unable to spot something good which maybe needs some work - a diamond in the rough - is also absurd. I would reference the honed intuitive sense which enables one who is highly experienced in any given field to make an instant judgement call about the quality of something they see.

A novice soliciting the opinion of those more experienced fellows who turns any kind of response which does not sustain their personal view into an attack - when no attack was intended - is very frustrating. This is what I am frustrated by.

Maybe I should just ignore it. It seems that the tools I have aren't helping this discussion. I feel passionate about it - but can't offer anything else to this issue. I hope that it will resolve itself some other way.