in reply to Could Perlmonks be used as a reference?

As has been stated over and over again, your Perl Monks level is more an indication of community participation than it is an indication of your mastery of Perl. Just look at AgentM, "living proof that a high-order monk need not know anything about Perl" :)

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Re: (ar0n) Re: Could Perlmonks be used as a reference?
by arhuman (Vicar) on Jul 06, 2001 at 12:54 UTC
    I'd like to support ar0n's point of view.
    Despite being a Saint, I know a bunch of monks with a better, Perl knowledge than I have.
    Some even have better programming skills than I.

    As you can earn XP (and hence status) by asking question, or posting node, or voting
    or even just connecting; the Status is by no way an indication of your Perl knowledge...

    But if I may add my comment : it's true for a lot of diplomas/certifications...
    Being Brainbench certified only mean that somebody (some people ?)
    answered correctly to a test (possibly randomly).
    Having a diploma only means that you manage to pass exams.(Whatever the mean ;-)
    I'm not saying that diplomas/certification are useless, I'm just saying that they are only indication,
    and that you shouldn't base ALL your opinion on it...
    Skill isn't TIED to diplomas/certification Even in the *other* way :
    One of the best coder I know don't have much diplomas/certification...


    Furthermore, I'd like to underline that often technical skills aren't enough to be a good/useful coder.
    I mean a recruiter, usually seek someone to work in a team, able to stand pressure, respects deadlines,
    adapt to job constraint and code fast...
    With those needs even a 'Technical God' with no social/communication qualities,
    unable to work properly when stressed proposing THEORICALY perfect solutions coded wouldn't last long...

    If I should resume my thought :
    Be proud of your monk status, but not too proud as it doesn't PROOVE* anything...

    * Oh my god ! Now I'm using this word too ;-)

    "Only Bad Coders Code Badly In Perl" (OBC2BIP)
Re: (ar0n) Re: Could Perlmonks be used as a reference?
by tomhukins (Curate) on Jul 06, 2001 at 17:59 UTC

    True, experience on Perl Monks does not show how good someone is with Perl. Rather, it reflects on how they participate within this community.

    That does not make Perl Monks experience invalid as something to state on a CV. When I've looked through programmers' CVs, I've always looked for some indication of being able to work well with others, as well as raw technical skill.

    Indeed, the nodes of mine that are ranked highest tend not to be about Perl, as much as issues relating to this site, or other non-programming issues that are common amongst programmers. I'd also say that programming is neither what I'm best at, or what I have the most natural inclination towards.

    I believe that anything that shows a certain amount of effort, intelligence or creativity has a place on a CV. A CV as a whole should describe the different aspects of your personality, so you can convey your programming skills, your ability to communicate and work with others, and evidence that you can deliver what's required.