in reply to Re^4: Hockey Sticks
in thread Hockey Sticks

... you're doing something very wrong.

Do you not suggest taking the front page of Rakudo.org at its word? After all, that summer 2011 Rakudo Star nom release has been just a few weeks away for months now.

Look, I know as well as anyone how fungible volunteer time and interest are not—but the lack of any releases (let alone usable releases) combined with the perpetual party line that it's ready if you just clap your hands and believe enough is really, really not working. If anything, it's completely counterproductive.

I gave my suggestions as to what to do a long time ago; take them or leave them. (I repeat though: making and meeting commitments is a prerequisite to the trust of your users.)

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Be nice! (Re^6: Hockey Sticks)
by raiph (Deacon) on Jan 22, 2012 at 21:27 UTC
    Do you not suggest taking the front page of Rakudo.org at its word? ... I repeat though: making and meeting commitments is a prerequisite to the trust of your users.
    The front page post commits to a compiler release within 3 weeks. A compiler release was made 21 days later. For more details, see this comment.

    I accept that your confusion could be said to be the fault of the Rakudo and/or Perl 6 projects. In particular, Rakudo.org has long needed an update to reflect what's actually going on. More generally, misinformation about Perl 6 abounds. I'm not sure it makes sense for us to go around fixing all the myriad pages about Perl 6 right now. But I acknowledge it's a big problem.

    In the meantime, I again appeal to Fivers to view themselves as a 25 year older brother with a butterfly loving but late-blooming 12 year old sister. Occasional fights are OK, but, in general, be nice!

Re^6: Hockey Sticks
by raiph (Deacon) on Jul 10, 2012 at 00:27 UTC

    As I've carefully explained in my January responses in this thread to chromatic, he had misread the rakudo.org front page, and had misunderstood what had been happening with Rakudo releases. This July 2012 update will hopefully make the reality crystal clear.

    The latest version of Rakudo, a Perl 6 compiler, has to date been formally released monthly for around 5 years, with the exception of one month in mid-2011.

    Rakudo Star, a bundling of a version of the Rakudo compiler plus extras (modules, doc, etc.) has to date been formally released quarterly or monthly for about 2 years, with the exception of skipping October 2011. It has been released monthly since Jan 2012.

    Of the lastest, Rakudo Star 2012.06, ajs, who I believe had left Perl 6 alone for a year or so, says "I can't begin to stress what a dream it is to work in Rakudo Star 2012.06 compared to any other implementation of P6 I've ever touched".

    chromatic is right about the need to see past the enthusiasm of the likes of myself and ajs (and, at one time, and hopefully one day again, chromatic himself), but I am convinced it is important that P5 folk take Larry Wall, and hence P6, seriously.

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