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If there is a problem with me asking for the experiences of others, please explain it to me?

Not a lot to be lost with that approach, except maybe a couple of minutes installation time...

If only...

I have 272 PPM packages installed in my 5.10.1 installation, many of which are not available for 5.14.x:

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I have another 101 packages that I had to manually install after futzing them to adapt them to Windows/64-bit/windows 64-bit:

c:\perl64-14>dir /A:d \perl64\packages
 Volume in drive C has no label.
 Volume Serial Number is 8C78-4B42

 Directory of c:\perl64\packages

09/03/2012  09:45    <DIR>          .
09/03/2012  09:45    <DIR>          ..
18/10/2010  01:07    <DIR>          AnyEvent-5.28
23/02/2012  14:43    <DIR>          App-Reprove-0.004
28/02/2010  13:05    <DIR>          autobox-2.55
28/02/2010  13:33    <DIR>          autobox-Core-0.6
07/03/2010  06:46    <DIR>          autobox-Core-0.7
04/04/2010  02:49    <DIR>          B-C-1.24
05/04/2010  14:12    <DIR>          B-Hooks-EndOfScope-0.08
05/04/2010  14:07    <DIR>          B-Hooks-OP-Check-0.18
31/10/2011  18:06    <DIR>          BerkeleyDB-0.43
27/04/2010  11:31    <DIR>          C-Scan-0.74
18/10/2010  01:08    <DIR>          Coro-5.23
07/01/2012  15:50    <DIR>          Crypt-Rijndael-1.09
27/04/2010  10:52    <DIR>          Data-Flow-1.02
01/04/2010  03:57    <DIR>          Date-Manip-5.56
06/10/2010  12:54    <DIR>          Date-Manip-6.13a
28/03/2010  21:44    <DIR>          DateTime-0.55
15/04/2009  06:39    <DIR>          DBD-Pg-2.11.8
10/11/2010  07:00    <DIR>          DBD-SQLite-1.31
13/12/2011  04:04    <DIR>          DBD-SQLite-1.35
10/11/2010  05:10    <DIR>          DBD-SQLite2-0.33
12/11/2010  05:42    <DIR>          DBM-Deep-Blue-1.01
04/09/2011  22:28    <DIR>          DB_File-1.820
05/04/2010  14:16    <DIR>          Devel-Declare-0.006000
23/12/2010  16:15    <DIR>          Devel-Size-0.71
04/04/2011  21:39    <DIR>          Devel-Size-0.72
28/11/2010  15:30    <DIR>          Digest-FNV-2.00
04/09/2011  22:28    <DIR>          Encode-Detect-1.01
27/04/2010  06:16    <DIR>          Error-0.17016
18/10/2010  00:57    <DIR>          EV-3.9
18/10/2010  00:54    <DIR>          Event-1.13
05/04/2010  14:01    <DIR>          ExtUtils-Depends-0.302
25/02/2011  23:53    <DIR>          ExtUtils-FakeConfig-0.12
23/03/2009  16:18    <DIR>          ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.50
11/04/2010  21:28    <DIR>          File-ShareDir-1.02
28/09/2010  22:13    <DIR>          Graph-0.94
04/09/2011  22:28    <DIR>          Imager-0.78
04/09/2011  22:28    <DIR>          Inline-0.45
14/12/2011  17:00    <DIR>          Inline-0.49
22/12/2011  18:42    <DIR>          Inline-CPP-0.33_003
18/12/2010  23:51    <DIR>          IO-Socket-SSL-1.37
08/03/2011  00:16    <DIR>          kyotocabinet-perl-1.16
05/03/2012  15:02    <DIR>          load-0.20
26/02/2011  00:09    <DIR>          Math-GMPn-0.03
25/02/2011  23:55    <DIR>          Math-Int128-0.02
22/03/2011  02:41    <DIR>          Math-Int128x
22/12/2011  18:49    <DIR>          Math-Prime-FastSieve-0.03
10/10/2009  00:29    <DIR>          Math-Random-MT-1.10
04/09/2011  22:28    <DIR>          Module-Build-0.3607
27/04/2011  05:44    <DIR>          mpir
12/02/2010  00:26    <DIR>          Net-IP-Match-Regexp-1.01
02/12/2010  22:34    <DIR>          Net-SFTP-0.10
13/10/2010  21:28    <DIR>          Object-InsideOut-3.69
13/10/2010  21:25    <DIR>          Object-InsideOut-3.71
04/04/2010  02:48    <DIR>          Opcodes-0.02
08/06/2010  01:26    <DIR>          OpenGL-0.62
27/03/2010  19:49    <DIR>          PadWalker-1.9
07/10/2010  06:21    <DIR>          ParallelUserAgent-2.57
04/09/2011  22:28    <DIR>          Params-Validate-0.95
23/03/2009  13:58    <DIR>          PDL-2.4.4
02/05/2011  09:44    <DIR>          PerlIO-gzip-0.18
11/04/2010  21:23    <DIR>          Probe-Perl-0.01
03/08/2010  21:45    <DIR>          Readonly-XS-1.05
20/08/2010  11:35    <DIR>          subs-parallel-0.08
25/03/2010  14:52    <DIR>          SystemTray-Applet-0.02
25/03/2010  14:53    <DIR>          SystemTray-Applet-Win32-0.01
16/09/2010  21:15    <DIR>          TermReadKey-2.30.01
05/04/2010  14:15    <DIR>          Test-Simple-0.94
11/09/2010  19:17    <DIR>          Test-Simple-0.96
21/02/2010  07:46    <DIR>          Text-Metaphone-20081017
05/03/2012  15:07    <DIR>          Thread-Conveyor-0.19
05/03/2012  15:03    <DIR>          Thread-Serialize-0.11
05/03/2012  15:06    <DIR>          Thread-Tie-0.13
01/12/2010  10:57    <DIR>          threads-1.76
01/02/2012  11:33    <DIR>          threads-1.86
05/04/2011  04:08    <DIR>          threads-Q-SRSW
13/08/2010  22:29    <DIR>          threads-shared-1.33
01/02/2012  11:34    <DIR>          threads-shared-1.40
21/09/2009  03:56    <DIR>          Tie-MmapArray-0.04
29/01/2010  10:42    <DIR>          Time-Piece-1.16
01/02/2010  20:41    <DIR>          Time-Piece-1.17
21/05/2009  00:07    <DIR>          Tk-804.028
18/10/2011  15:32    <DIR>          Tk-ImageButton-1.0
01/02/2012  14:39    <DIR>          Used-0.01
05/04/2010  14:11    <DIR>          Variable-Magic-0.41
11/09/2009  04:03    <DIR>          Win32-API-0.59
25/04/2010  00:53    <DIR>          Win32-DirectX-0.01
19/04/2010  19:39    <DIR>          Win32-DirSize-1.13
18/02/2010  07:53    <DIR>          Win32-DriveInfo-0.06
25/03/2010  14:56    <DIR>          Win32-GUI-1.06
17/02/2010  08:21    <DIR>          Win32-GuiTest-1.56
28/09/2009  10:28    <DIR>          Win32-Job-0.03
26/04/2009  11:19    <DIR>          Win32-Lanman
21/09/2009  04:08    <DIR>          Win32-MMF
14/02/2010  05:08    <DIR>          Win32-Process-0.14
05/11/2010  17:59    <DIR>          Win32-Socketpair-0.01
15/02/2011  03:12    <DIR>          Win32-Symlink-0.04
11/09/2010  19:10    <DIR>          Win32-Unicode-0.24
07/05/2009  17:35    <DIR>          XML-LibXML-1.69
01/03/2012  11:43    <DIR>          XML-XSH2-2.1.6
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Upgrading is a lot of work! And backing out is more.

I use Perl a lot, but I don't meet the requirements for involving myself in the internals, beyond what is necessary for me to make forward progress on my own projects.

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Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
"Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

The start of some sanity?

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Re^3: Perl 64-bit versions
by Eliya (Vicar) on Mar 13, 2012 at 14:45 UTC
    If there is a problem with me asking for the experiences of others, please explain it to me?

    Of course, there is no problem asking... — I was only commenting on the particular phrase I quoted (i.e. the reluctance).

    As for upgrading all modules at once, I usually upgrade XS modules on a "as needed" basis (and sucessively switch my scritps/applications to the new version as my pool of upgraded modules grows). And with the pure-Perl ones, it's mostly a matter of copying them over, anyway.

    But maybe Windows' missing support for shebang execution (i.e. having the Perl version tied to the script, by default) does make such a migration plan more difficult than it would need to be. YMMV.

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      As for upgrading all modules at once, I usually upgrade XS modules on a "as needed" basis (and sucessively switch my scritps/applications to the new version as my pool of upgraded modules grows). And with the pure-Perl ones, it's mostly a matter of copying them over, anyway.

      The way you describe your upgrade procedures, it makes it sound like you would still have 5.005 kicking around for running those scripts that never needed a newer version?

      So, at what point to you move a script to the latest, greatest version of Perl?

      • When it needs something that is unavailable from the version you had when you wrote it?
      • When a bug you encountered when using it was announced fixed in the newer version?

      I've had several versions (AS binaries and self-builds) of 5.14.x on my machine since the first RC, but except for performing make tests for the self-builds and specific tests for individual items, they just sit there doing nothing because I haven't had sufficient reason to use them. What's the point in going through the pain of upgrading when there's going to be another one along any minute. Availability is not sufficient reason.

      I now have a particular reason (need) to upgrade. I have choices. I wish to narrow those choices based on the accumulated experience of others.

      With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
      Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
      "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
      In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

      The start of some sanity?
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        So, at what point to you move a script to the latest, greatest version of Perl?

        It depends. Two criteria are certainly the ones you mentioned.  And yes, I generally do have quite a number of Perl versions installed on my machines (7 on this box, for example, reaching back to 5.8.4).

        Other criteria are

        • When I've got myself a new box (hardware), or have had some reason to wipe/upgrade my entire OS, I (re-)evaluate whether getting any "ancient" versions of Perl set up again on the new system would be more trouble than getting all app's respective module dependencies built for a new version of Perl, finally.
        • When I have some idle time, I sometimes simply invest it to upgrade XS modules for no particular reason other than getting them upgraded, and eventually being able to drop ancient versions of Perl.

        All in all, this migration process is kind of natural and "automatic", in that the longer some Perl release isn't superseded by another bugfix release, the more upgraded modules I happen to have for that release...  New projects are generally started with the most recent release — which creates the "need" in the above outlined upgrade-as-needed approach, for the particular modules used in that project...

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