Re^3: pipe fork win32

If I change 373 in "print $parent "exit now\r\n\r" x 373;" to 745 (744 hangs) it works.

Hm. I used 373 because that is the lowest value on my system that worked (373 * 11 > 4096), so my system (Vista64) is using a 4096 byte buffer.

I thought all Windows systems used that size. I wonder why yours is using 8k? What version of windows are you running? Are you using a home-built version of Perl? Did you tweak the value?

With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'

Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.

"Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".

In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

The start of some sanity?

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Re^4: pipe fork win32 by bulk88 (Priest) on Aug 26, 2012 at 13:59 UTC
Self built Visual C DEBUGGING Perl. I tried 373 repeat count on ActivePerl 5.10 and it worked successfully. I dont know if DEBUGGING is to blame, or it is ActiveState's own tweak to Perl. You can try looking through AS's diff file http://downloads.activestate.com/ActivePerl/releases/5.16.0.1600/ActivePerl-5.16.0.1600-295879-diff.txt if you are curious. It might also be a header difference between my MS C Compiler and AS's MS C Compiler.	[reply]
Re^5: pipe fork win32 by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Aug 26, 2012 at 15:20 UTC
See http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2011/02/msg169265.html for the change which apparently came in for 5.14. As the author notes 8k is an arbitrary figure. (And arbitrary is always stupid.) On every system I've checked -- including various flavours of Windows, one Linux and 1 BSD -- the optimal buffer size for disk IO is 16k or 64k. But for pipes and sockets, 4k is already too big for many purposes. I guess the best solution would be to expose setvbuf(). With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday' Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. RIP Neil Armstrong	[reply]
Re^5: pipe fork win32 by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Aug 26, 2012 at 14:17 UTC
It's 4k on perl5.8.9, perl10.1, and 8k on perl5.14.2. Looks like p5p decided to change it in PerlIO for some stupid reason. With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday' Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. RIP Neil Armstrong	[reply]
Re^6: pipe fork win32 by Anonymous Monk on Aug 26, 2012 at 14:48 UTC
http://search.cpan.org/dist/perl-5.14.0/pod/perldelta.pod#Configuration_and_Compilation `./Configure -Accflags=-DPERLIOBUF_DEFAULT_BUFSIZ=N` [download] perlio.h 194 #define PERLIOBUF_DEFAULT_BUFSIZ (BUFSIZ > 8192 ? BUFSIZ : 8192) `#define PERLIOBUF_DEFAULT_BUFSIZ (BUFSIZ > 8192 ? BUFSIZ : 8192)` [download] update: :) Configurable IO buffersize?	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^7: pipe fork win32 by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Aug 26, 2012 at 16:07 UTC
Re^4: pipe fork win32 by ikegami (Patriarch) on Aug 27, 2012 at 15:34 UTC
For performance reasons, Perl's buffer was changed from 4K to 8K in 5.14.0. It was also made configurable at build time at the same time.	[reply]
Re^5: pipe fork win32 by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Aug 27, 2012 at 16:03 UTC
Yes Unfortunately, it means it is now sub-optimal for all purposes. Too small for best throughput on block IO devices, and too big for streaming and communications. With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday' Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error. "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. RIP Neil Armstrong	[reply]