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the main point i'm annoyed by is not so much the cartoon itself. it doesn't matter who is "the butt of the joke" so much. it's just, please don't sexualize programming and keep such jokes where they belong to. it's not about lynching a guy for posting such a link. like Ovid said, things like that can happen.
what i'm mostly disappointed about is the reactions: pemungkah suggests that women might not like it to see such jokes here, and posts a link to a very nice keynote, and that he is critised heavily for doing that.
telling me that I just didn't understand the joke right really doesn't help.
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Re^11: 20 most important Perl Best Practices
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Aug 29, 2012 at 13:17 UTC
    please don't sexualize programming

    The character in the cartoon that did so, is roundly and emphatically put in his place for thinking with his dick. That's the joke.

    In cartoon form, so no individual can be offended by it, your exact point is being made. And being made in a way that will have far more impact on the general male programmer than any amount of -- please forgive the phrase, it isn't aimed at you -- preaching.

    telling me that I just didn't understand the joke right

    It wasn't you that missed the joke -- you might have, but that's neither here nor there -- it was pemungkah. Perhaps a linguistic thing?

    There is nothing wrong with raising issues like this, but you do have to do so by picking on real examples. This was not such an example.

    posts a link to a very nice keynote,

    I agree completely. So much so that I watched it all the way through and then actually cited and re-linked it in another thread within hours.

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Re^11: 20 most important Perl Best Practices
by jrw (Monk) on Aug 31, 2012 at 18:38 UTC
    tinita, I agree that the point is mainly that we don't need to sexualize our conversation in the context of perlmonks.

    I did enjoy the cartoon and thought it made its points in a clever way, including the sexualization of perl. But I would have felt uncomfortable posting a link to it on perlmonks because it's a global forum and certainly there are some people in that forum who do not want to see perl sexualized and I value their contribution to the forum.

    I don't know if a <NSFW> label would have helped the situation or not. Certainly, it would have just been best to suppress the urge to post a link to it.

    I agree that it's not about lynching the original poster. That's definitely not the right thing to do. And I can also imagine me trying to defend myself after making such a mistake (although in this case, it's a losing battle). So, I find that understandable.

    I read the whole thread and didn't find it excessively one-sided in favor of the OP or against pemungkah -- there were a lot of replies to OP refuting his statements, in fact more than I expected having read some summaries of the discussion on blogs.perl.org. Anyway, I think much of the perl community has been sensitized to these issues recently discussions like this one and with talks like Schwern's or others in the wider FOSS community. Progress is being made.

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