I am not asking for anything unearned, just for the contemplation (that means serious consideration) of the marginalization going on here of younger monks and what can be done about it.

You are exactly asking for something that is unearned. You are asking for people who earned their place on the Saints list to step down so that you can ascend more quickly. The argument that it's not fair that older monks 'got here first' or 'took all the popular questions' and other similar ones is the exact reason why millennials are stereotyped to be entitled whiners.

Using your logic, I should be able to go to the US Patent office and say "It's not fair that I was too late to the game in all these inventions that I would have thought of anyway, so lets expire the patents for the ones that have been around a while and let the younger folks get some patents." Nobody is marginalizing you. (Well maybe they are now based on your ridiculous claim of being marginalized simply because 'being younger isn't your fault')

If I brought my kids to PM, they'd feel intimidated at first (same as I did) but quickly learn that this is an assload of very useful information (sometimes by people who literally 'wrote the book' on some facets of perl) and they would respect that knowledge, because they've been taught to respect that which should be respected. They wouldn't sit here and whine about how they are having trouble asking questions and earning XP so they can make some stupid (no offense PM, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not important) list. Hell, if they could get all of their questions answered without having to ask one, it would reinforce their belief that this is an awesome site made by awesome people with awesome contributors.

Honestly I don't expect you to change your mind, and frankly I don't care whether you do or not. I do find it hilariously ironic that most of your posts have been downvoted, likely costing you XP that you apparently so greatly cherish.

That being said, good luck, and I hope you find a way to contribute to the site to reach your XP/Saints list goals. If you do, you'll be a better programmer, and the site will be better off with more useful information.

I'm still kind of lost here.

Is it "marginalization" if I'm 20 years older than you are, been in the workforce 20 years longer than you have and I've saved up $1,000,000 in life savings where you have got $10k?

> of the marginalization going on here of younger monks

BS! I used to be a younger monk and Saints wasn't of special interest.

Being promoted quickly was the dominating fun, like gaining levels in a video game.

But at least after reaching saints this got slower and slower, and one had to find other motivations.

> and what can be done about it.

We could somehow list best newcomers, or so.

Either in an own page or a switch in the saints-page.

The question is still what for, except for fun and/or getting people hooked?

And by the way it wouldn't effect you, this doesn't look too impressive

User since:     Jul 04, 2012 at 17:21 CEST
Last here:     Mar 17, 2017 at 18:00 CET (47 minutes ago)
Experience:     1579
Level:    Hermit (10)
Writeups:     167
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update

or maybe rather "best performers" - monks like haukex and Eily are regularly in Best Nodes buts still low in Saints, though I don't know how best to measure this.

maybe rather "best performers" - monks like haukex and Eily are regularly in Best Nodes buts still low in Saints, though I don't know how best to measure this

LOL, RTFM ?

perl XP_efficiency.pl -r 1 -s age -f Eily -f haukex -o desc -l 20
+---------------------------------------------------------------------
+-----------------+
| Pos | St. | Monk name    |  XP  |     Level      |  Age  | XP/Age | 
+Posts | XP/Posts |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------
+-----------------+
|    1     2 BrowserUk     167,275        Pope (28)   5,400  35.2740  
+23,350    7.0482 |
|    2     4 ikegami       128,977        Pope (28)   4,602  31.8581  
+19,892    6.3682 |
|    3     3 Corion        134,174        Pope (28)   6,212  24.4196  
+11,147   11.7581 |
|    4     8 moritz         65,986    Cardinal (24)   3,588  20.7054  
+ 6,425    9.9910 |
|    5    36 Athanasius     32,619  Chancellor (21)   1,781  20.6156  
+ 1,724   18.4040 |
|    6     5 GrandFather    75,136        Sage (25)   4,308  19.6047  
+ 6,740   10.8282 |
|    7    26 choroba        36,927  Chancellor (21)   2,541  16.2404  
+ 4,411    8.0835 |
|    8    19 toolic         44,863      Bishop (22)   3,559  14.0106  
+ 3,704   11.6316 |
|    9    43 kcott          29,744       Canon (20)   2,367  13.9603  
+ 2,743   10.4121 |
|   10    79 Laurent_R      19,636       Abbot (19)   1,650  13.1919  
+ 2,444    7.6968 |
|   11    11 davido         58,433  Archbishop (23)   4,972  13.0211  
+ 4,885   11.4528 |
|   12    28 LanX           36,504  Chancellor (21)   3,117  12.9750  
+ 5,533    6.3158 |
|   13     7 merlyn         71,195        Sage (25)   6,169  12.7769  
+ 6,323   10.7719 |
|   14    16 ww             49,916      Bishop (22)   4,694  11.7287  
+ 3,726   12.7668 |
|   15   287 1nickt          6,626       Vicar (15)     643  11.3397  
+   794    7.9402 |
|   16    10 dragonchild    58,467  Archbishop (23)   5,764  11.1599  
+ 5,989    9.2812 |
|   17    18 marto          45,376      Bishop (22)   4,796  10.3697  
+ 4,767    9.0157 |
|   18    31 Gavin          35,546  Chancellor (21)   4,028   9.6345  
+   600   55.8867 |
|   19    20 CountZero      44,803      Bishop (22)   5,296   9.2118  
+ 4,382    9.6200 |
|   20    45 Perlbotics     29,221       Canon (20)   3,484   9.1262  
+   387   71.0052 |
|   43   303 Eily            6,315       Vicar (15)   1,369   4.7602  
+   466   12.0826 |
|   66   245 haukex          7,400      Parson (16)   2,550   2.7798  
+   667    9.1829 |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------
+-----------------+
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The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

Not what I meant, I rather thought of "best posters of week", month. ..year...

For instance merlyn hasn't posted much for almost an eternity and is still high in your list.

Also xp from casting votes shouldn't count here.

Cheers Rolf
_{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :)
Je suis Charlie!}

...serious consideration) of the marginalization going on here of younger monks

If you would please describe in plain, simple terms the marginalization to which you are referring, I'd be grateful. Please include both methods of action, and consequences. I tried to abstract from your postings in this thread but I did not have confidence in my findings. Thank you!

... and what can be done about it.

Do you have any suggestions?