I agree that without our saviour, Larry, we would not have such brilliant camel worship as we do today.

However I do not think it is fair to say that Perl itself could not have existed as an idea without host mind. That is, an idea does not need someone to think it, to be.

I'm reminded of the song by Bjork which talks about all the machines and inventions of the world lying under a mountain waiting for their time to come out. Just because no mortal (even a saint!) has thought of something, doesn't mean it can't exist on some level.

My final arguement is along the lines of an idea that was thought of by mortals, and later lost or forgotten. A close example is Greek Fire (although we still know of the "idea" of Greek Fire, just not the ingredients, it's a close example). Just because we mortals and saints have forgotten ancient wisdom, does not keep it from existing in some other planar sort of existance.

Meta-Cheers,
Gryn

In reply to Ideas can exist without minds to m{end,old} them. by gryng
in thread evolving - meaning of life? by Anonymous Monk

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