As for type conversions ... if you're doing type conversions, either your schema is wrong or you're not using it correctly. You should never ever have to use a type conversion, not even once. And, yes, that's a hard rule.

That's going a bit too far, don't you think? I'll try to think of a really good example... What about something like this, maybe: 

select ... from table where table.day_in_month = to_number(to_char(sys
+date,'dd'))

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Should I not be allowed to represent a day-in-month as a number? Should I, instead, be forced to use some sort of crazy "magic-number" reference month and year to store my day-in-month column, so that I can store it in a date datatype, and be able to do purely (but still crazy as all get-out) date-arithmetic to compare dates to the day-in-month? Imagine that the day-in-month is a piece of data used in representing a "recurrence" data-structure (like, "run this report on the 5th day of every month"), so I'm actually NOT talking about something that is a date... I'm talking about something more abstract, which can most easily be represented by type-casting (on top of some other logic).

Here's another kind of crazy (but real! I swear!) example: Another, really powerful use of type-casting in SQL comes up in a very fast (but admittedly ugly) way to pull data in one field by correspondance to data in another field. By that I mean, say, give me the X that corresponds to the min(Y). The specific case when I've used this with is trying to pull the earliest created value of something (say FOO is a number, for this example, and you want the FOO corresponding to the min(CREATED)): 

select
    to_number(
        substr(
            min(to_char(CREATED, 'yyyymmddhh24miss') || FOO)),
            15, 400
        )
    )
from table
where ...

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If that's a little hard to understand, that's not too surprising, as it's something analogous to the GRT, but for seeking a min or a max, rather than for sorting (as the GRT is just a special case of the ST for sorting). That is: pack the carrier data (CREATED) together with the payload data (FOO), in such a way as comparisons of the packed carrier+payload correspond to any comparisons made against the naked carrier (i.e. if rowX.CREATED < rowY.CREATED, then to_char(...rowX...) < to_char(...rowY...), accordingly). Then, use comparisons made against the packed carrier+payload combo, which will yield back the data in which you're interested, but as packed carrier+payload. And then, finally unpack the payload from the carrier (i.e. the to_number(substr(...)) construct).

Anyway, I know it's esoteric, but it is real, and it's WAY more efficient than the more purist SQL: 

select FOO
from table
where CREATED = (select min(FOO) from table where ...)
    and ...

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particularly if there's some interesting stuff in that "..." part of the query (which has to be repeated in the sub-query). (Oh, and yes, I did purposefully gloss over a few details in that example, that weren't vital to getting the point accross.) 
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In reply to Re^2: Typeless Relational Database by etcshadow
in thread Typeless Relational Database by tomazos

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