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in thread STDERR in Test Results
To throw errors, call die. To throw warnings, call warn
The next version of the module will call warn so I can trap the output with Test::Warn
However, I will not call die. I find it frustrating when modules die. Especially modules where there is a reasonable chance that there may be an error such as when they are dealing with a network or rely on the user to provide input in a particular format such as valid JSON - I attempt not to inflict that frustration on others.
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Re^7: STDERR in Test Results
by afoken (Chancellor) on Jun 27, 2023 at 21:14 UTC | |
However, I will not call die. I find it frustrating when modules die. WTF? Especially modules where there is a reasonable chance that there may be an error such as when they are dealing with a network or rely on the user to provide input in a particular format such as valid JSON So, what should your module do when being fed with garbage instead of sane input? Pretend nothing evil has happened? Invent other, sane input? Ask for more garbage to be stuffed into your module? What should it do if the network goes down or a required service somewhere on the internet can't be reached? Wait for the heat death of the universe? What should it do if the system runs out of disk space? Gain root privileges and recursively delete all files not used in the last three years? I attempt not to inflict that frustration on others. Get over it. There is nothing to be frustrated about if an exception occurs (i.e. die is called). It is completely normal, it is "just" another way of control flow. The butt-ugly alternative "solution" is to return some kind of error information in-band and check each and every function call result for error information. In other words, C:
Update: Yes, you could implement a kind of exception handling in C using setjmp/sigsetjmp and longjmp/siglongjmp. Be prepared for "interesting" results due to undefined behaviour ... The smart way is to accept that things can go wrong:
(Pseudocode-example stolen from Exception handling.) This can be very useful e.g. if you need to work with a database:
(Ripped right out of the DBI documentation.) Update: Compare with "Exceptions" in Image::Magick: You have to check each and every return value, and you need to do that in at least three different ways, depending on what the function is expected to return. There is NO exception handing in Image::Magick. The main point is that if you accidentally forget to check for errors, your programm will die. It won't chew on garbage that happens to linger around somewhere in memory and it won't produce any more garbage. It will just stop and exit with an error message. In C, omitting error checks will cause a lot of "interesting" results instead. Alexander
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by eyepopslikeamosquito (Archbishop) on Jun 27, 2023 at 23:55 UTC | |
Nice work! Added to my list at Re: eval to replace die? (Exceptions and Error Handling References). If anyone knows of other cool references on Exception Handling, please let us know. Update: your excellent response also provoked: EyeBall stumps BodBall (Error Handling) | [reply] |
by bliako (Abbot) on Jul 17, 2023 at 21:59 UTC | |
I don't like dieing at any point in my programs and I look down on code which does that and forces me to try/catch/eval each of its calls instead of checking the error code that each function, IMO, should return (with reasonable exceptions of course). I avoided to express my opinions as I respect the particular opinion of those particular Monks who were in favour of die as error signaling and decided to keep quiet and contemplate on their points and see if I can change my opinion. Well, I haven't mainly because of reasons of style. I still return error codes or error hashes with code+message. I started with C, and it shows, and I think I will die with C. But! I found a compromise: I now consider a die to be an exception (as in, e.g. C++/Java) and it does not look as the "nutter's nuclear option" as it did. And I may even experiment dieing with an Exception object (read on before telling me that that's possible already :)):
But at that exact point of my epiphany I learned that die can throw ANYTHING (about time!), so:
So, yes, I can view die as an exception and am prepared not to consider it antisocial, from now on. The only problem remaining is performance:
No contest there for no_die. But the test may be misleading because no_die() needs constant return status checking with an if exists. Whereas, as you show in the transactions example you provided, functions which die can skipp the individual checking and enclose them all in one big try{}catch{} block. Which is probably way faster. And I don't know which looks uglier: huge try{}catch{} blocks or endless if func() then else (actually I think the latter). So, thanks for the food for thought you provided. I am much more inclined in using die now in subs especially the dieing with custom-made exception objects. bw, bliako | [reply] [d/l] [select] |
Re^7: STDERR in Test Results
by stevieb (Canon) on Jun 28, 2023 at 02:53 UTC | |
However, I will not call die. I agree with afoken's "WTF" here. There are many instances where it would be dangerous to NOT throw an exception. For example... my webapp that front-ends a connection to Tesla's API... you hammer that too hard without a proper auth token and I don't throw, that may cause issues. I'm not going to nicely keep telling you to please don't do that, I'm breaking your caller. Another example is my IPC::Shareable software. If you try to write to a memory location that isn't yours, you should know better, and I'm throwing an exception. The case that's relative here is the test software. Your tests should use a liberal amount of throws_ok() or similar to ensure that you catch as many possible exception cases as your software throws. Here's an example use of throws_ok():
You can do it without Test::Exception with a bit more work:
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