in reply to Re^5: Organizational Culture (Part I): Introduction -- autogestion
in thread Organizational Culture (Part I): Introduction

That was many, many, many words

Well, some words are needed! I tried to put in plain what these concepts mean, as I understand it, in the context of Capitalism. I also gave examples how these are essential for Capitalism and will never be removed.

When have any of alienation, property, and competition been not presen +t in a society? Where are the numbers that show that capitalism then +"toppled"?

That's is what I am saying, they have always been present in Capitalist societies because there is a lot of effort to keep them there. They can not afford to loose them. That said, some countries, when they tried to relax some of these principles, e.g. regulate the labour market, tax the well-off, nationalise key industries, they faced opposition, competition from other countries, sanctions and even bloody coups.

Attempting to constrain Alienation, which it is not just employing people, as you said, or applying division of labour, but it is about intensifying the work to the point of people being overall and constantly miserable or even jumping out of windows (see the French Telecom Suicides), will make the country or business not "competitive" and businesses then migrate their factories to cheaper and less regulated markets (sweatshops in foreign countries). Over the last years, the mantra countries push is that they offer a competitive (see non-regulated) labour market in order to attract foreign investment in the form of industry, factories etc. They boast how they offer their own people for being fcuk'ed by foreing industrialists.

If they go wrong, they lose their shirts.

Not really. They lose other people's shirts, re: investment funds, limited responsibility (LTD) companies, etc. Not to mention state-sponsored bubble scums, the stock market etc.. Long gone are the days of the Wozniak's and Job's garage.

A key feature of this is that decision-making sits with those affected + by that decision. I'd love to hear what you propose that you think w +ould work better.

Ideal for me would be your first sentence. But not in the level of the individual person or investment groups. But collective decision-making at a State level with strong regulation to protect and care for everyone. And the metric should not be profit-maximisation but well-being-maximisation. You see, for Capitalism, profit=well-being. I beg to differ there too. edit: My ideal is a non-capitalist system.