in reply to RE: RE: RE: Free Open Source Everything?
in thread Free Open Source Everything?

I didn't state anywhere that the license forbids contributing.

To cite you "The very idea that you think (that) suggests you didnt read clearly" :-)

The license just sets things up in a non-free way, and causes me (and I fear maybe others, too) to not want to contribute to the code. A simple issue that could easily be dealt with by the powers that be.

And trust me I did read the license. My intention is not to bash at this license. I just thought it may be worth pestering you, if someone would see how good free licensing (and I'm not picky here, like some people are - bsd, gpl, artistic, you name it) may be important to open source development. And actually perlmonks might benefit from it. I view it as a very nice feature. If you find a feature is missing from perlmonks in your opinion, you may speak up, don't you? Whether it gets implemented or not, is not as important to me as may seem right now. But if it's going to be anyway, which seems the case, I'd like it move up the ToDo List some places.

Sorry for being an annoyance.

antihec

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RE(5): Free Open Source Everything?
by Ozymandias (Hermit) on Jul 20, 2000 at 22:36 UTC
    The license of the software is not a "feature." This site and the code that runs it is owned by the EBC and by vroom, not by you. You can ask vroom to change the format of the chatterbox, you can suggest a modified header, you can even code one and submit it if you choose. But you have no right to demand a change in the licensing of the site.
    - email Ozymandias
      Where did I demand anything? I know this code ain't owned by me, but that doesn't keep me from wishing it were owned by the community. (Even more as vroom and the EDC seem to suggest that - in the Pre-License and in vrooms post. If it's gonna happen anyway, why not do it now?)
      I don't think I've got _any_ right to demand _anything_ about that code.

      But I have the right to point the people here to a thing that I think is important.

      I think you were overreacting from your first post to this thread, and it doesn't get better. You were overreacting in Abigails thread, too, so maybe that's the way you are.

      You don't get my point, cause you view me as a License Nazi, and so you don't wanna get my point. With that attitude towards people you don't know, you lose out on quite a bunch of interesting things in life.

      antihec

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        You can WISH for a better license all you want. But when you start posting, you stop wishing and start asking. And THAT you don't have the right to do in this manner. A quiet email to vroom, asking if the Everything code might be released under the GPL... that would (to me, if I were in his shoes) be annoying, but at least acceptable. Posting like this is not "wishing" or "asking", it's picking a fight over something you have no right to fight over.

        I was overreacting... hmm. Let's see. Perhaps I overreacted on the Abigail issue... but I don't think so, and I've gotten far more praise than criticism. As for overreacting here... you ARE a License Nazi. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, it must be a duck. If the duck bleats on about how much nicer the world would be if we just released everything under the license of his choice, then the duck is a License Nazi.

        You don't like the term License Nazi? OK, how about License Fanatic? License Terrorist? License Fundamentalist? Fool? I can accept any of those, tell me which one you want and I'll go back and change them all.

        I get your point. But you're wrong, and you can't accept that, which means I must fail to comprehend the pure goodness of your beliefs. You and all the other License Nazis baah with the sheep and make the same stupid statements over and over again, as if repetition will somehow make it true.

        When will I learn to quit trying to make cream from spoiled milk?

        - email Ozymandias
RE: RE(4): Free Open Source Everything?
by spectre (Scribe) on Jul 20, 2000 at 22:17 UTC
    Ah, I understand now, it's a moral objection to contributing that keeps you from wanting to do so - well, here's to our differences, that's what makes us special.
    Being as you wouldnt want to contribute to anything that isnt free, you must have a problem with working for a company that wants to make a profit off of software too, I take it?
    Being as that I work for such a company, and I like getting paid for my job, I'm glad I dont have a moral objection to writing non-free software.
    Regards,
    spectre