If you think I'm wrong, show an algorithm that proves otherwise. Given a 2-bit state, that shouldn't be overly complicated.

2-bits is clumsy. I hope you'll accept an 8-bit rand algorithm that demonstrates a greater than 256 period?

#! perl -slw use strict; use Data::Dump qw[ pp ]; { my @x = (0x00011011) x 24; my $x = 0; sub srand8 { $x = $_[0] % 24; } sub rand8{ $x = ++$x % 24; $x[ $x ] = ( $x[ $x ] * 33 + 251 ) & 255; return $x[ $x ]; } } our $L //= 1e4; our $S //= 1; srand8( $S ); my $s = ''; $s .= pack 'C*', map rand8(), 1 .. 256 for 1 .. ($L/256+1); print length $s; $s =~ m[(.{256}).*?(\1)]sm and print "Sequence at [ $-[1], $-[1] ] repeats at [ $-[2], $+[2] +]"; __END__ C:\test>rand8 -S=1 10240 Sequence at [ 0, 0 ] repeats at [ 6144, 6400 ] C:\test>rand8 -S=2 10240 Sequence at [ 0, 0 ] repeats at [ 6144, 6400 ] C:\test>rand8 -S=3 10240 Sequence at [ 0, 0 ] repeats at [ 6144, 6400 ] C:\test>rand8 -S=4 10240 Sequence at [ 0, 0 ] repeats at [ 6144, 6400 ] C:\test>rand8 -S=5 10240 Sequence at [ 0, 0 ] repeats at [ 6144, 6400 ] C:\test>rand8 -S=255 10240 Sequence at [ 0, 0 ] repeats at [ 6144, 6400 ]

That 6144 period could probably be improved upon with some time spent tweaking the constants, but it is hardly over-complicated.

Now, you may have a point if the OP was generating all the passwords he may ever require in his life, in a single run of the program.

Okay. Half way there. :)

That is what I assumed he was doing. I felt (still feel) that was his intent from reading the OP. But, you might be right that he intends generating them piecemeal. Or on-demand.

Using the 32-bit MT, as you've said, there are 2**32 starting points. That's 4e9 starting points into a non-repeating sequence of 4e6001.

Assuming he allows it to self-seed -- no srand() -- even if perchance two of his runs picked adjacent seed-points in the sequence, on average, he'd have to generate 4e6001 / 4e9 = 1e5992 rands before the two sub-sequences would overlap.

So, (ignoring the birthday paradox, imperfect PRNG etc. for a moment), for him to get a dup, he would have run his program 2**32 times and pick exactly 1 sequence each time. But if he generates 10 each time, that's 10 * 2**32 sequences before he gets a dup.


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In reply to Re^8: How likely is rand() to repeat? by BrowserUk
in thread How likely is rand() to repeat? by desertrat

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