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in thread OT? Pragmatic Perl

One of the problems with people's impression of perl6 is that nobody pays attention to the things that are the same. All the procedural bits of perl5 are still there. Most perl6 will look mostly like perl5, with little differences,
But the differences are important and there are *many*! Sure, I might need only a few relatively minor changes to *write* perl code that runs on perl6. But I (and many many others) need to *read* code too. The only people for whom your argument works are people who may need to *write* perl6 code once in a while. Once a shop decides to switch to perl6, everyone needs to learn the perl6 language (not just the minor syntax differences with perl5). It will be no less a leap than a shop switching from Perl to Python or to Ruby (and may even be harder just due to the perceived similarity).

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Re^3: OT? Pragmatic Perl
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Sep 24, 2004 at 17:50 UTC
    But I (and many many others) need to *read* code too.

    You learned how to read Perl 5. You learned how to use all of the libraries you know how to use. Heck, you either learned how to read the indentation, naming, idioms, and commenting style of all of your co-workers -- or you came to some agreement on a shared style.

    What prevents you from doing the same thing here?

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      My point wasn't that perl6 can't be learned, just the opposite, that it must be *learned*. And that knowing perl5 won't be much of a help. To put it another way: Once my shop switches to perl6, a new hire that only knows perl5 has no real advantage over a new hire that only knows python. Both will have to *learn* perl6.

      People who keep arguing about how trivial it will be to convert perl5 code into working perl6 code belittle the fact that perl6 will be a new language and that switching to perl6 will involve a lot more than just writing perl5 in perl6. A perl5 programmer moving to a perl6 shop probably has as much of a learning curve ahead of them as a perl5 programmer moving to a python shop (or a python programmer moving to a perl6 shop for that matter).

      I don't have a problem learning perl6, and I've kept up with perl6 development as best as I can. I have a problem with people who trivialize what the cost of switching to perl6 will entail.

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        A perl5 programmer moving to a perl6 shop probably has as much of a learning curve ahead of them as a perl5 programmer moving to a python shop (or a python programmer moving to a perl6 shop for that matter).

        Any programmer moving to a new shop has a learning curve ahead of him. The language, libraries, tools, and idioms are merely the building blocks of vocabulary with which developers write their stories. Learning the syntax and rules of Perl 6 isn't the tricky part. Learning how to put sentences and paragraphs together with the existing work is -- and that's true of any language and any shop.

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