Re^2: Jokes, ad-hominem attacks, and sensitivity

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Re^3: Jokes, ad-hominem attacks, and sensitivity by Joost (Canon) on Aug 22, 2006 at 15:41 UTC
But it's not aimed at you, directly. It's not aimed at your belief either. The remark in question was aimed at Jesus / god. As far as I'm concerned, deities are public figures and public figures are fair game for jokes. For example, I might not like it if someone makes a insulting remark about my mother, but I would hardly take it as personally if she was president of the USA. Also, I did not say it was more offensive to insult a group than single people. I said i was more concerned about insults to people than insults to deities. "What should it profit a man, if he should win a flame war, yet lose his cool?"	[reply]
Re^4: Jokes, ad-hominem attacks, and sensitivity by DrHyde (Prior) on Aug 24, 2006 at 09:41 UTC
The remark in question was aimed at Jesus / god Actually, my remark couldn't possibly have been aimed at that Jesus bloke, because I don't believe he exists. I might as well have made a remark about the tooth fairy for all the bearing it would have on reality.	[reply]
Re^4: Jokes, ad-hominem attacks, and sensitivity by husker (Chaplain) on Aug 22, 2006 at 15:57 UTC
Some points: - Christians identify with Christ. They aspire to be more Christ-like. Christ is the ideal which they strive to attain. Therefore, to most of that faith, insulting Christ is insulting them, since they are wishing to be, in every way, just like the person being insulted. - To Christians, Christ is not a public figure. He is God with whom we have a personal relationship. He is family. Your example of mother is well-taken. In my case, jokes about my mother would hurt to the same degree whether or not she was a public figure, because the family relationship trumps that for me. - your statement about " (groups of) real people" led me to believe that offending a group held some distinction from insulting an individual. I apologize if I misread your intent. I'm not asking you to change your own opinions about the sanctity of any particular religious figure .. just trying to explain to you how others might feel about it.	[reply]
(OT) Re^5: Jokes, ad-hominem attacks, and sensitivity by jdporter (Paladin) on Aug 22, 2006 at 16:50 UTC
I understand your viewpoint, but it is entirely misguided. Christians consider it a blessing to be insulted, mocked, even killed for the sake of their Lord. Being Christ-like is being humble even to the point of death. Taking umbrage at any insult is decidedly un-Christian. God can take care of Himself. It's not the Christian's business to defend His honor. Unfortunately, that tendency is exactly the source of so much violence in the world. We're building the house of the future together.	[reply]
Re^6: Jokes, ad-hominem attacks, and sensitivity by husker (Chaplain) on Aug 22, 2006 at 18:37 UTC
Re^3: Jokes, ad-hominem attacks, and sensitivity by Anonymous Monk on Sep 07, 2006 at 18:41 UTC
Insulting Jesus will usually be considered a direct insult to a Christian. How that Christian reacts to that insult varies, but most all will be insulted nonetheless. Why would insulting me, personally, a member of the communiity, be less offensive than insulting a "group"? His Dad created the world, if you believe standard Christian dogma. He's an omnipotent, unstoppable force; no mortal can stand against His manifest Will. I think He can take care of His son's honour himself, if He cares.	[reply]