in reply to Re^2: Perl::Minimal -- the good, bad, and the ugly...
in thread Perl::Minimal -- the good, bad, and the ugly...

Honestly I don't wanna call PHP names.

I've been told that it's a kind of "Monster Perl" and I avoided it since, but w/o personal experience it wouldn't be fair judging.

And I don't wanna adopt this Pythonista attitude of bashing and FUDing out of the blue.

Well maybe they learned it from us and simply did a s/PHP/Perl/g in the process?

Cheers Rolf

( addicted to the Perl Programming Language)

PS: I was serious about JS being a "minimal" Perl (or at least very close) :)

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Re^4: Perl::Minimal -- the good, bad, and the ugly...
by taint (Chaplain) on May 30, 2014 at 17:39 UTC
    Greetings, LanX.

    I too greatly dislike the "bashing" of a persons chosen Language/Operating System/{...}. Mostly because the user that chooses it, tends to feel denigrated themselves.

    I felt inclined to overlook that policy in this case, as 1) it sounded kind of witty. 2) My experience leads me to believe (at least as compared to Perl) it's fairly accurate.

    Honestly. In my experience, it's pretty difficult to feel confident that you can safely expose PHP in the wild. At least, unless you join the patch-of-the-month club.

    As a language alone. I find many times, it's the perfect choice. I just find too many risks involved. To get into the habit of using it (out in the wild).

    Speaking of "witty"; loved your JavaScript note, above. :)

    All the best.

    --Chris

    UPDATE:

    I should probably note; I'm speaking largely from a Service Provider standpoint. But I still feel it holds true for anyone running a web server on with an internet facing IP.

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      Honestly. In my experience, it's pretty difficult to feel confident that you can safely expose PHP in the wild.

      ...

      I should probably note; I'm speaking largely from a Service Provider standpoint.

      Interesting you say that. A few years ago, I was commenting on how few hosting services allow Perl while PHP was nearly ubiquitous. The co-worker I was chatting claimed that Perl is too powerful and assumes the coder knows what she/he is doing, while PHP assumes the coder is an idiot. Therefore, hosting services are much more comfortable with PHP than with Perl.

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        WOOT! That's rich.

        I really don't want to take this off topic. But I'll say this much. I can tell you at any given point in time, which (PHP) apps are vulnerable, as my logs are flooded with the name of the vulnerable file name. w/o fail, they all end in .php. On the flip side; I never see a Perl extension, nor any Perl application I am familiar with -- ever.

        In the end; I'll happily grant Perl access, over PHP, any day.

        END PHP vs Perl thread.

        --Chris

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Re^4: Perl::Minimal -- the good, bad, and the ugly...
by taint (Chaplain) on May 30, 2014 at 17:58 UTC
    PS: I was serious about JS being a "minimal" Perl (or at least very close) :)

    Indeed it is!

    But honestly. It still sounds witty. So if it were possible. The "points fairy" would have issued 2 points, 1) for astute observation. 2) for also being witty, at the same time.
    But alas, the points rules (sadly) don't provide for that.

    Thanks for the comment (and clarification). :)

    --Chris

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