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in thread Prioritizing Broken CPAN Modules

We live in very different worlds then. I am a vessel of truth here and this is experience online and coming out of Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond which happen to be somewhat important to the direction of language usage. You weren’t here for this thread, for example: Re: I want you to convince me to learn Perl.

The situation in Perl’s increasing marginalization has little to nothing to do with the hatred—I never, ever said it did—and everything to do with deployment issues, apps, binding to modern libs, Perl Ludditism, and general infighting. If you are suggesting, implicitly, against my point that Java is a natural, self-organized, pleasant language that won the market through its sheer delight… I wouldn’t know how to respond.

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Re^7: Prioritizing Broken CPAN Modules
by LanX (Saint) on Jan 04, 2020 at 00:32 UTC
    > my point that Java is a natural,

    IDE support with comfortable code completion is a crucial factor.

    It means that a manager can afford to hire a bunch of cheap untrained blokes which will produce many LOC with simple point and click.

    That's a successful win/win situation:

    • the manager can show his LOC-to-salary ratio and praise his managerial skills
    • and the blokes can pretend to be programmers which know what they are doing and will talk badly about "primitive scripting languages"
    Of course that's true for other statically typed languages, too.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

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      That's a successful win/win situation:

      While I can admit that bean counting matters, in this case I think it is a perfect example of false economy. There may be an exception or two but all the major movers I can think of eschew Java in the main. It’s part of what the “Great Hackers” article discusses. What you are describing is the underlying and absolute need for good tools. But what that situation really is is lipstick on a pig instead of good tools built on and for good tools.

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        > But what that situation really is is lipstick on a pig instead

        Sure, but my point is that many go by themselves for that lipstick. They don't need a corporation to push them there.

        We need to realize that we need similar tools to convince that part of the market instead of complaining about unfair treatment by big companies.

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

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