That's a successful win/win situation:

While I can admit that bean counting matters, in this case I think it is a perfect example of false economy. There may be an exception or two but all the major movers I can think of eschew Java in the main. It’s part of what the “Great Hackers” article discusses. What you are describing is the underlying and absolute need for good tools. But what that situation really is is lipstick on a pig instead of good tools built on and for good tools.

> But what that situation really is is lipstick on a pig instead

Sure, but my point is that many go by themselves for that lipstick. They don't need a corporation to push them there.

We need to realize that we need similar tools to convince that part of the market instead of complaining about unfair treatment by big companies.

Cheers Rolf
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Oh, I agree, and I don’t complain. I enjoy bad weather, I just like talking about it. :P

Which reminds me of a story–

I was teaching English overseas. A top student cornered me after a class to ask an advanced question. He told me a joke in English. He said, “I’ve heard that in America everyone always talks about the weather. But no one ever does anything about it.”

I laughed and said, “That’s really quite funny.”

He asked, “Why?”

…it wasn’t quite crickets but explaining why that joke is good took a long time and was, to someone raised in a Confucian culture, completely unconvincing.