[OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?)

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Re: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by LanX (Saint) on Oct 16, 2020 at 06:01 UTC
You'd be surprised about the annoying and far reaching consequences of granting power over marriage to religious "authorities", like prohibiting inter-faith marriages. But honestly, I don't wanna discuss it now, my emphasis was on debate culture. Sorry. For completeness: Ikegami said "wedding" not "marriage", there is a difference. My fault! Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply]
Re^2: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by jcb (Parson) on Oct 17, 2020 at 03:41 UTC
The idea is that "marriage" should be strictly a religious matter and not recognized by the state at all — you would fill out the paperwork for a civil union and check the box "conditional upon completion of religious marriage ceremony" before you go to the church if you want what "marriage" means today. The state does not care whether your church allows inter-faith marriages or if your church even has marriage at all &mdash it is the same civil union in any case. Apologies for furthering the off-topic diversion, but I did need to clarify that.	[reply]
Re^3: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by LanX (Saint) on Oct 17, 2020 at 11:37 UTC
Swap the terminology. Marriage is the legal construct certified by the state. Religions just give (or deny) their "blessing". That's how it's handled in most countries with a "civil marriage" Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply]
Re: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by tobyink (Canon) on Oct 16, 2020 at 06:38 UTC
Honestly I think the state should get out of the marriage entirely. No "civil unions" either. Marriage can be an entirely private business. If a church wants to marry two people or not, then let them. If a pizzeria wants to marry two people, then let them. Why should the state even care? toby döt ink	[reply]
Re^2: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by LanX (Saint) on Oct 16, 2020 at 07:36 UTC
Marriage is a contract changing your legal status. I don't want a pizzeria to decide who is raising my kids, has the right to switch off my respirator and inherits my Perl books ... Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language :) Wikisyntax for the Monastery}	[reply]
Re^3: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by tobyink (Canon) on Oct 16, 2020 at 22:36 UTC
Yet contract law in general requires very little government oversight. When I sign a contract with a business, there's no government registrar required to witness it, or keep an official record of it. Unless one of us breaks the contract and it needs to go to court, why is government oversight of contracts useful? toby döt ink	[reply]
Re^4: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by LanX (Saint) on Oct 17, 2020 at 11:41 UTC
Re^5: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by tobyink (Canon) on Oct 17, 2020 at 13:49 UTC
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Re^4: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by Anonymous Monk on Oct 17, 2020 at 00:36 UTC
Re^3: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by Anonymous Monk on Oct 16, 2020 at 08:14 UTC
Then you should have won the pizza wars 😌🐐	[reply]
Re^2: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by jcb (Parson) on Oct 17, 2020 at 03:49 UTC
Why should the state even care? It seems to me that the original purpose of marriage was to support forming families and raising children who will be the next generation of society. The state, being (theoretically) the collective will of The People in a supposedly representative system, has a legitimate interest in the future of the society. This suggests that perhaps the notion of "civil union" should be further unbundled, but the first step is still getting the state out of the marriage business.	[reply]
Re^3: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by Anonymous Monk on Oct 17, 2020 at 06:07 UTC
but the first step is still getting the state out of the marriage business. sure sarcasm because the shortest distance between 2 points of equality is a new sheet 💩	[reply]
Re: [OT] gay marriage controversy (How the heck did we get here?) by Anonymous Monk on Oct 16, 2020 at 03:02 UTC
Poorly thought out nonsense. Might as well get rid of cities, states,... all gov. Marriage predates religion, every current named religion.... Separation of church and state	[reply]