Re^7: Perl module documentation language conventions

It's not a grammatical issue, it's not needing those glue words because the same information is encoded in the suffixes of the words. Which by the way frees the languages from the sily fixed order of the English sentence. As we can tell the subject from the object by the form of the word, we can order them whichever way we want, based on what's the new information we want to stress ... or leave as a surprise at the end. Which is something you'll inevitably lose when you translate the sentence to English, no matter whether you actually know the language or use a program

Yes, the meaning's butchered, but not because of the inability to represent the "of me". That one did stay there. It's because the sentence structure did not survive the translation to Thai well enough and it's translated back as if there was a fullstop, not a comma. The "He" in the last sentence of the back translation is the person that did not follow, while the "us" is the deity. Or maybe not, seems to me neither of us actually knows any Thai.

Would you mind a question? What languages do you actually speak? Not like "have read about", but actually are able to converse in at least on a basic level.

Jenda
1984 was supposed to be a warning,
not a manual!

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Re^8: Perl module documentation language conventions by Polyglot (Chaplain) on Oct 25, 2023 at 12:06 UTC
Apparently, your Slavic languages are more similar to Greek which can be considerably reordered without changing the meaning of the sentence, only its focus. Thai, however, is more structured, akin to English. English is better able, on account of being a better developed language, of representing complex thoughts and sentence structures. Thai has no punctuation; though Lao does. I'm a native English speaker; fluent/fully literate in Spanish; conversationally fluent in both Thai and Lao, and able to read both, but my spelling in both is poor; and speak beginning level Chinese--enough to get around town, ask for directions, prices, basic family relationships, etc. I only learned to read about 300 Chinese characters--not enough to read a newspaper, which they say requires about ten times that. But I've forgotten a lot of that now. Presently, I'm learning Biblical Hebrew and Greek, Hmong (which I can read), and a little Karen. I can type Karen (at about 18wpm--it uses the shift key for nearly half the characters), but can't read it! I've been taught just enough (consonants, vowels, etc.) to help locals develop software utilities for spellchecking, word-wrapping, etc. in Karen--tools which never before existed: it's still not in Google's translation list. To the untrained eye, written Karen looks like Burmese--which Google does have in its repertoire; but they are mutually unintelligible. I suppose I could type Burmese nearly as well, but again, I wouldn't understand a word of it. I've learned bits of other languages along the way (like French which I can often understand in written form)--but mostly not enough to be worthy of mention. Including Chinese, where I was more limited, I have taught in five languages--perhaps that's the answer to "what languages do you actually speak?" But I'm only fluent in four. Blessings, ~Polyglot~	[reply]

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Re^8: Perl module documentation language conventions
by Polyglot (Chaplain) on Oct 25, 2023 at 12:06 UTC

I'm a native English speaker; fluent/fully literate in Spanish; conversationally fluent in both Thai and Lao, and able to read both, but my spelling in both is poor; and speak beginning level Chinese--enough to get around town, ask for directions, prices, basic family relationships, etc. I only learned to read about 300 Chinese characters--not enough to read a newspaper, which they say requires about ten times that. But I've forgotten a lot of that now.

Presently, I'm learning Biblical Hebrew and Greek, Hmong (which I can read), and a little Karen. I can type Karen (at about 18wpm--it uses the shift key for nearly half the characters), but can't read it! I've been taught just enough (consonants, vowels, etc.) to help locals develop software utilities for spellchecking, word-wrapping, etc. in Karen--tools which never before existed: it's still not in Google's translation list. To the untrained eye, written Karen looks like Burmese--which Google does have in its repertoire; but they are mutually unintelligible. I suppose I could type Burmese nearly as well, but again, I wouldn't understand a word of it.

I've learned bits of other languages along the way (like French which I can often understand in written form)--but mostly not enough to be worthy of mention. Including Chinese, where I was more limited, I have taught in five languages--perhaps that's the answer to "what languages do you actually speak?" But I'm only fluent in four.

Blessings,

~Polyglot~

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