Re^2: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}?

Possibly because 1 question expanded into 2?

1) Why does including the "local *asub" prevent it from being called in "stuff"? I.e. if you uncomment the "local *asub" line, it can't be called in "stuff" -- this is the main question.

2) Why does including the "local *bsub" (of an interior function -- different animal) appear to be ignored in "sub stuff".

In playing w/the test case, I noted that I could put the "local *'subname', outside of an interior sub where it is implemented -- but that doing so was "ignored", from-the-standpoint of trying to call it from "outside" its containing sub (i.e. the attempted call to &bsub in "stuff()". That curiosity created question#2...

Note, I wouldn't expect calling an interior function (as stuff tries to call bsub) to necessarily work -- just that I found that trying to pre-declare it with local didn't even change the error message when "stuff" tried to call it. I thought that was strange.

Main Q is why or how might I _declare_ asub, or is
*asub = sub{...} equivalent to
sub asub {}?

It's that I'm not used to seeing an undeclared name on the LeftHandSide without it being flagged by "strict" as it not being declared.

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Re^3: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by LanX (Saint) on Oct 30, 2016 at 23:12 UTC
2) already answered, sub declarations are done at compile time, any local commands prior in text have no effect, they are run time, ie happen later. Additionally you are explicitly setting the content of *bsub whenever you call the internal function. update Please read perlsub#Temporary-Values-via-local() and following Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :) Je suis Charlie!}	[reply]
Re^4: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by perl-diddler (Chaplain) on Oct 31, 2016 at 12:00 UTC
What was already answered? ... um... since the issues w/"bsub" were only a curiosity that grew out of implementing a test case for the "asub" case, let's just ignore the 'bsub' case declared within a sub. That seems to have generated way too much confusion for what was a "side", curiosity...	[reply]
Re^3: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by LanX (Saint) on Oct 30, 2016 at 23:23 UTC
> Main Q is why or how might I declare asub, or is `asub = sub{...}` equivalent to `sub asub {}`* Almost equivalent, the prior has a runtime effect the latter only compile time. See `perlmod` for phases of execution and do some experiments checking the availability of subs. But I'm repeating myself now. ... Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :) Je suis Charlie!}	[reply] [d/l] [select]
Re^4: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by perl-diddler (Chaplain) on Oct 30, 2016 at 23:31 UTC
Ok, got that... but why doesn't the 'lvalue' "asub" need to be declared under strict?	[reply]
Re^5: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by LanX (Saint) on Oct 30, 2016 at 23:41 UTC
You are accessing a global symbol of the stash you don't need to declare hash elements of an existing hash either, do you? update You seem to think that local is declaring variables. That's totally wrong! Please read documentation and provided links. meta: This whole discussion is too XY for my taste, I'm out now. :) Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :) Je suis Charlie!}	[reply]
Re^3: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by LanX (Saint) on Oct 30, 2016 at 23:05 UTC
1) because local restores the (here undef) value of the code slot of `*asub` at the end of the scope, which is reached before stuff() is called. Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :) Je suis Charlie!}	[reply] [d/l]
Re^4: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by perl-diddler (Chaplain) on Oct 31, 2016 at 11:57 UTC
Now I think I see one source of your frustration. The call to "stuff" is within the scope of the "local *asub", which has a value assigned to "asub" that is also within the same scope as "sub stuff". i.e. the "undef" value preserved outside of the scope of the "local" ends past "sub stuff". That's why it is a curiosity. I couldn't see (and still don't) why adding the "local" statement (who's scope includes "sub stuff") should make a difference.	[reply]
Re^5: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by LanX (Saint) on Oct 31, 2016 at 12:35 UTC
> I couldn't see (and still don't) why adding the "local" statement (who's scope includes "sub stuff") should make a difference. Because you still haven't read any of the doc links provided. `local` is a totally different beast compared to `my` and `our` . > Now I think I see one source of your frustration. well "frustration" is exaggerated ... I'll just stop talking to you until you do your homework. :-) Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :) Je suis Charlie!}	[reply]
Re^3: how to declare a local *subname=sub{}? by LanX (Saint) on Oct 30, 2016 at 23:37 UTC
> Possibly because 1 question expanded into 2? Please see How (Not) To Ask A Question Though my answers include many valuable informations, this thread will be of no help for the majority, because your intentions are unclear and your code mangled Cheers Rolf _{(addicted to the Perl Programming Language and ☆☆☆☆ :) Je suis Charlie!}	[reply]

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