Why would you want a PPM for either of those?

They're both pure perl modules (granted they depend on non-pure-perl modules, but those non-pure-perl *are* readily available via ppm).

Go grab yourself a copy of nmake (perl -V:make) and then go to CPAN.org and install'em.

BTW, I maintain
http://crazyinsomniac.perlmonk.org/perl/ppm
http://crazyinsomniac.perlmonk.org/perl/ppm/5.8

MJD says you can't just make shit up and expect the computer to know what you mean, retardo! ** The Third rule of perl club is a statement of fact: pod is sexy.