Question. If someone who:

1. knows what they are talking about, and
2. is well respected (around here and elsewhere)
3. offers you some good free advice

How do you respond?

Question. Are you:

1. Open and receptive to that advice?
2. Do you take it on board?
3. Act on it even?

Or do you totally ignore it and try to justify your current position?

Just perhaps there could there be a moral in there for you?

What the hell kind response is that? dws Brought up what he felt was a valid point. The annonymous monk replied with his own valid, reasoned points. This is called "A Discussion" and is something we generally like to encourage around the monastery. I saw no sign on the front gates that said "any time a higher level monk chooses to take umbrage with you, you must immeadiately bow to his demands and completely change everything he doesn't like". This monastery is built around the very principles of free expression and any attempts to curtail such is anathema to the very spirt of this monastery.

While I agree that in the abstract sense that it would be better if the annonymous monk had registered, in the practical sense it makes absolutely no difference whether or not he does. The thread is still here for anyone to see and profit from the collective knowledge contained, the identity of who contributes what to the discussion is irrelevant.

Perhaps you should reconsider what you are talking about before handing out any more such high-handed and stupid advice.

high-handed and stupid advice

My post was a series of questions, rather than a piece of advice. The point being have you ever worked at a company that says we value your input, so you offer it, only to find yourself branded as 'not a team player'?

As I read AMs response it seemed to me we were observing just that sort of behaviour from someone whose basic question was 'How do I get the best people to come and stay at my company?' The AM part was simply one of the suggestions offered by dws all of which AM felt required counter-argument if you read the response.

Now let's step back for a minute an consider what dws said which was essentially 2 things.

1. You will get a much better response if you invest 2 minutes to plaster an anonymous handle on your anonymous forehead. Does responding positively to this suggestion cost AM anything NO. Does AM take it on board and act on it NO. Does AM argue the point YES. Does AMs node recieve a very luke warm response rate DEFINITELY (look how few replies there are, compared to similar non FP nodes on similar lines in recent memory)
2. You will get a much better response if you target your question a bit more specifically. See most of the points in 1

In my considered opinion if AMs response was indicative of how they handle employee relations then that is probably one of their real problems. So he asked, I told him. Yes I could have been more polite or less sarcastic, but it seemed to me AM was simply demonstrating one of his/her problems while remaining blissfully ignorant.

Just my opinion, with my name stuck to it {shrugs}.

cheers

tachyon

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I'm impressed. I remember reading a few of your posts a while back and they didn't show nearly the level of insight this one does. Very well said :)

Although for additional points, I'd reword the last paragraph, tachyon would probably be more open to your position.

Apparently my post was interpreted as an overally broad, self-serving plea for knowledge rather than the open discussion I intended it to be. Thanks to you, Trimbach, jacques, gmpassos, and tachyon's first post for contributing to the thread. I'm off now, happy flaming all! (: