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in thread The world is not object oriented

If this was a philosophy forum rather than a programming one, I might pursue this thread further.

Obviously I meant "really exists" in a very prosaic sense. When you start talking about what conceptual ideas really exist, life gets very complex, very fast. I know from the history of math just how complex a question this is. For instance standard mathematics insists that virtually all numbers which exist can never be specified in any way, shape, or form. Yet in what sense do they exist..? (And how do you model this state of affairs in a computer?)

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Re: Re: Re: The world is not object oriented
by Anonymous Monk on Jan 04, 2004 at 02:08 UTC
    If this was a philosophy forum rather than a programming one, I might pursue this thread further.

    No, this isn't a philosophy forum: But then, philosophical reasoning belongs in every forum :). At any rate, I thought the passage quoted was interesting and relevant, and that a great number of the objects we programmers use, or discover, or invent, are propped up entirely by groups of relations (conventions, if you will): The very concepts Object and Class in OO for example. And in a deeply OO language, Classes are Objects too. And when programmers get caught up in the "programming objects" == "real world objects" (and variations along those lines), it can be pertinent to ask them what "real world object" the Class object models.

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      ...it can be pertinent to ask them what "real world object" the Class object models.

      Why, the real-world (conceptual meta) object of "Everything" of course :)

      Everything must include everything, just as Class must include class.

      Examine what is said, not who speaks.
      "Efficiency is intelligent laziness." -David Dunham
      "Think for yourself!" - Abigail
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        And just how do you define "thing"? This question is one of those which are as old as mankind itself.

        Makeshifts last the longest.

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