So, just because no one has thought of something, or even,
isn't thinking of something at the moment, it doesn't
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gryng, I think you misunderstood what brother mdillon was saying. Look at it again:
human ideas absolutely cannot exist without minds
This does not mean that apples don't exist if we fail to notice them. It means what it says. Ideas spring from minds; mdillon made no assertions regarding reality. Now it's possible, granted, that reality cannot be separated from our perception of it (a lot of quantum physicists would argue this), but I that's not what he said.
In fact, it appears that the definition of idea that mdillon was applying was something, such as a thought or conception, that potentially or actually exists in the mind as a product of mental activity. Ideas, therefore, require minds to form them.
Cheers,
Ovid
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As I noted to jcwren earlier, I agree with both sides
of the coin. In fact, I would go so far as to say there
is no way to prove one way or the other.
My entire point, was simply to illuminate the possiblity
of another way of thought. That is, ideas exist before their "creators" bear them. Much like the concept that people have souls and their body's are the bearer of them.
Again, I don't adamantly follow either side of the coin;
I just wanted to give the benefit of both sides to our Monks
here.
Ommm,
Gryn
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There's a widely held belief that "reality" is a consensus belief system. That if no one believes (or perhaps thinks) of something, it doesn't exist. Right now, I'm trying real hard to not imagine the IRS.
--Chris
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Thank jcwren,
I of course presented the original question as: "Which came
first the scriptor or the script?" Because I think there are
two sides of the coin. I agree with your summed up view, that
things must be believed before they exist. But similarly the
notion that things exist even before they are believed is equally
appealing.
On the trek for knowledge I think it's important for the
adept to see both sides of the coin.
Ciao,
Gryn
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