Bingo! I took tons of math/science/engineering classes, I like art & music, I like strategy and planning. But odds down, I want to be creative and I want to crunch bits and make things happen. I want to entire machine at my disposal, efficient, fast, powerful, no limits.

For those "business" (meaning mindset not just business apps) type coders, java probably does make sense. Everything has a file, everything in it's place, rigid regulation, can't do anything if someone said it wasn't ok to do that. Doing something creative (like breaking way into new algorithms) is dangerous -- you should just use the tools available or have someone write a tool. Discipline enforced from day one, not self-checked. It's just like Corporate America.

I think the fundamentals here (and some folks can bridge the two decently), is that the tools are written for two different brain types. Which is probably why I am replying to this thread so much. Anyhow, I need to stop :)