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Re^3: What is this?
by Chady (Priest) on Jul 08, 2004 at 13:12 UTC
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I still want to implement something to block such nonsense in titles though. But its a low priority.
I hope this does *NOT* get worked on. I believe everyone has the right to write whatever they want in the title, that's why there's a textfield for it. If a certain behavior is required and should be forced on users, it might be better to remove the field and the ability to assign titles to replies, and autogenerate the titles. for individual viewing of notes.
If the context of a certain reply is really that important, it's better to view the root node and judge from there, it would be just one click away. It does not warrant all that work and policies just so that someone can know that the node they are on is a reply to a reply to some reply to a certain node; it gives little information compared to seeing the actual nodes in a threaded display.
The automatic Re: folding is great, because it reduces entropy and removes unwanted data from the title, but enforcing titles is really not the best thing to work on.
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He who asks will be a fool for five minutes, but he who doesn't ask will remain a fool for life.
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The problem is that we have consistency problems as currently implemented. Some pages render such items as literals, some interpolate (for lack of a better terms). In addition some of these chars (can) cause trouble for other aspects of the site that I frankly consider to be more important.
And I also take issue with the idea that people have the inherent right to put whatever they like in the title. PM has every right to enforce various content restrictions as the gods consider to be in the best interests of the community. Restricting the char set is IMO one such area where overall the best interests of the site are served. But again, it aint a high priority. :-)
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• Update:
Sigh, its not clear to me why but apparently this node isn't popular. However, allow me to expand on my reasons. This thread renders for me on different fetches differently. Sometimes I see Β and sometimes I see •. Why this is is a little confusing for me right now, but illustrates what I mean. Other considerations are things like XML tickers, text streaming tickers, and the like. The easiest way to handle this is to restrict the char set allowed in titles to those used by the major european languages and only those chars. The magic • aint one of them.
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I see now that I have slightly misinterpreted the reasons.
I thought that what you meant by "block such nonsense" was any/all extra information appended to node titles. But now I see you're talking about weird characters that can cause trouble traveling through the various code sections to get displayed.
My original node still stands; I still believe that people have all the right to put what they want in the title as long as there is a textfield allowing them to do so, and PM has all the right to remove illegal characters or entities from these titles.
He who asks will be a fool for five minutes, but he who doesn't ask will remain a fool for life.
Chady | http://chady.net/
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Some people seem to downvote any criticism of the way things are. Shrug.
I can see giving a warning on preview when given a title containing an entity, since titles AIUI are only plain text,
and should/will be escaped so • actually shows as •, not •.
What to do about non-latin1 is another question. I'm not sure how you distinguish utf8 from 8-bit latin1 anyway, since every utf8 byte sequence has a (wrong) valid interpretation as 8-bit latin1 characters. utf16 and variations are easier to catch (unless all the characters are non-8bit-latin1). But I really know nothing of how html/cgi handle different encodings.
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Everyone has the right to put whatever they think will be useful in node titles. merlyn is not doing this because he thinks it is useful; he said as much in PLEASE STOP VANITY TAGGING. Well, it never made sense as a protest, and it makes even less sense now. I don't see anybody but merlyn vanity tagging.
This isn't just the oppinion of a random user, BTW. This is my opinion as a God, and I would very much like for it to be followed, or for merlyn to explain himself.
theorbtwo in a Coat of Many Colors. I may be a god, but I'm not infailable. Smack me up if I'm wrong, just like anybody else.
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