Ooh, I'm quite impressed that these german games (both of which were game of the year once), are actually well known in other places too.. I havent played for a while, but I love both of them..

Oh, and my claim to fame in this area, I met the guy that designed Siedler of Catan (spelt with a C, even here) at the games fair in Essen a few years back.. Great place to be, btw. (November every year in Essen..) I also have a signed copy of the PC game. (Note, it's nowhere near as fun as the board game.. hohum..)

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