I have noticed some inconsistencies in this facility. For example, at a certain time a node's reputation was listed as -2 (+0 -2). A few minutes later it changed to -1 (+0 -1), in other words a plus vote and a minus vote cancelled each other out, which is fine for the reputation itself, but not for the breakdown field to the right, which no longer reflected how the reputation is broken down - a correct breakdown would have to have been (+1 -2) or (+2 -3) or ... given that some of the history was known. The problem doesn't happen always, because I often see nodes showing a combination of non-zero + and - votes, it's just that the history of votes in opposing directions for the breakdown field in brackets seems to be unreliably rather than always inaccurately reported.

Update: Ironically this node is a case in point. At this moment I see only four down-votes which for all I know is +1000, -1004, and no explanation in reply. I find it hard to apply that information, especially given that I am merely stating some facts, not giving an opinion about anything - tempting as it may be in this case ;)

-M

Free your mind

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Re: Error in the reputation breakdown field? (bugs)
by tye (Sage) on Nov 26, 2005 at 05:29 UTC

    Frankly, the most likely explanation is that you are mistaken. We've certainly had bugs in things, but the way that reputation tracking is done, what you described is an extremely unlikely type of bug.

    But you give no information to look into. What node(s) did you see this happen on? When did you see "(+0 -2)" and then when did you see "(+0 -1)"? With something specific like that I could check.

    Taking a guess, I could see some confusion resulting from seeing a node go from "-1 (+0 -1)" to "0" then "1". That isn't what you described, but inaccurate descriptions are not unheard of. Anyway, that happens because "insignificant" numbers of downvotes are not shown if the node's reputation is not negative, as documented in Display of Node Reputation.

    - tye        

      When I run the vote recounter, I see an awful lot of nodes get corrected; I wouldn't be surprised to see something like the OP describes happen, unless you really think it impossible.

      Another thought: unreaping resets reputation/votescast to what they were when reaped.

        I wouldn't be surprised to see something like the OP describes happen

        I don't think you thought about this carefully. Going from "(+0 -2)" to "(+0 -1)" would require votescast to be decremented. We never decrement it.

        What does happen sometimes is that updates get lost. If both parts of the update got lost, then the reputation display simply wouldn't include that vote. It would not go "backward".

        If only half of the update got lost (only votescast getting incremented or only reputation getting inc/decremented), then you'd see something like "(+0.5 -2.5)". People would remember seeing such a thing so I don't think that has ever happened (which makes sense, considering how the node cache works, such would be quite unlikely though perhaps not completely impossible).

        - tye        

      It depends on whether shown and recorded are the same thing. If "no significant downvotes" means history of previously significant downvotes gets recorded in its canceled-out form then this would explain the behaviour in itself - but as for the suggestion I am misreporting this, I think Woody Allen would probably have put it something like this:

      "Just because you're hallucinating doesn't prove anybody else's world is real."

      -M

      Free your mind

Re: Error in the reputation breakdown field?
by ambrus (Abbot) on Nov 26, 2005 at 11:56 UTC

    Is it possible that you've pressed the back button and seen an older rensition of the same node later, which was sent by the server when the node only had less votes?

      Surely you could come up with a more exciting fantasy than that -- preferably one in which I am distracted from typing correctly by some dusky maiden climbing in between me and the keyboard ;)

      -M

      Free your mind

Re: Error in the reputation breakdown field?
by jonix (Friar) on Nov 26, 2005 at 11:01 UTC
    Hi Moron,
    I have seen the inconsistency as well, your description of the problem is valid and sufficient IMHO.
    Other than tye, I see no sense in pointing out specific nodes for this unless you can freeze their votes too, as this can happen to all nodes that get mixed voting.
    Having read the docs tye pointed out, I concluded it is on purpose the way it is - deliberately inconsistent by design, introducing the concept of insignificant downvotes - to take the sharp edges from insignificant node tension that could still worry the nodes author too much.

    Cheers,
    jonix
      I have seen the inconsistency as well, [...]Having read the docs tye pointed out, I concluded it is on purpose the way it is

      If you mean that you think that showing "-2 (+0 -2)" and then later, due to additional votes, showing "-1 (+0 -1)" is intentional, then you would have misunderstood the documentation that I linked to (and didn't understand my earlier reply in this thread either).

      I think ambrus has hit on the most likely explanation ("stale" browser cache -- a mostly good thing, IMHO, except that sometimes the viewer doesn't recognize that the displayed content is slightly "stale").

      - tye        

        Yes, "stale" browser cache is a good explanation of the effects actually described by the OP.
        I still think you got me wrong - the inconsistency I was referring to is when node XP goes from "-1 (+0 -1)" to "0" then "1" and that is only inconsistent if you contrast it against plain counting of all up- and downvotes. My fault if I did not state my thoughts clear enough :)
        Inconsistency does not have to be a bug if it is there for a good reason and I think there are enough good reasons around.

        Regards,
        jonix
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