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in thread Perl 6 Module manager

Your point about the standard process was interesting. I haven't thought about it like that, but I think I buy your argument.

It fits well with e.g. extensions to C/C++ compilers. Few would use vendor specific extensions (outside Windows) today for those languages, but (more than) a decade ago -- there might have been a case. For sql, vendor specific extensions might be a case today. And, as you write, the standardisation process have ground to cover there.

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Re^14: Perl 6 Module manager
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Apr 23, 2006 at 03:44 UTC
    It fits well with e.g. extensions to C/C++ compilers. Few would use vendor specific extensions (outside Windows) today for those languages, ...

    gcc supports quite a few extensions to the latest C99, and they do get used. I've encountered the ternary operator used as an lvalue in a couple of perl modules, and computed-goto is used by one flavour of Parrot runloop. The C++ practice of intermingling declarations and statements, and declaring for loop variables inline was very wide spread long before they were finally adopted by the C99 revision.

    Indeed, without you applying --ansi --pedantic, gcc accepts these and a bunch of other extensions without warning. I have several versions of MS VC and VC++ compiler, and none of them accept extensions without explicitly enabling them as far as I am aware.

    I guess my point is that it's too easy and very common to embue MS with "evil intent", as opposed to "over-exploitation of a dominant market position". It's also easy for the younger generations to loose sight of the fact that history is just repeating itself. Google for AT&T "baby bells" 1984 and further back IBM antitrust 1972".


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      Oh, so VC++ follows standards, these days? In the .NET C++, too?? Wonder will never cease... :-)

      Some people still use GCC extensions in new code? Ah well...

      I do remember other monopolists abusing power. (Don't ask me about food prices and Swedish oligopolies.. it is too long.)

      A counter example (to file systems protocols and file formats, here) proves that Microsoft isn't doing the "embrace and extend" thing everywhere. I didn't argue that, of course.