Re: Posting a series of articles...
by jdporter (Paladin) on Jun 20, 2007 at 21:46 UTC
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In general, I'd think the latter is better, more flexible yet stable; but I would add that each article in the series should also have links near the top to the prev/next articles and the head/toc article, for clicky nav.
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I'd think the latter is better, more flexible yet stable
In case monks forget, eyepopslikeamosquito has a series of The Lighter Side of Perl Culture (Part I) that talks about general stuff, followed by Part II - JAPH, Part III - Obfuscation, Part IV - Golf, Part V - Poetry, and Part VI - April Fools.
So now, we're probably waiting for The Lighter Side of Perl Refactoring, or other series, to come up?
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In general, I'd think the latter is better, more flexible yet stable;
One obvious advantage is that root nodes seem to have a better visibility than notes. Thank you for the added remarks too, I will certainly want to take them into account should I ever start a thing like this myself. (And I have a half-hearted idea of doing so - otherwise I wouldn't have been meditating about the issue. Incidentally it's somewhat related to another topic discussed today.)
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Re: Posting a series of articles...
by Limbic~Region (Chancellor) on Jun 20, 2007 at 22:26 UTC
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blazar,
A few examples I can think of are - perl idioms explained, the lighter side of perl culture, obfu balls, and the annual Sports Illustrated image grabber. I am sure there are others but it seems that both of your suggestions have been used.
Sorry for not providing links. I may update as time permits.
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Sorry for not providing links. I may update as time permits.
Ok, for completeness I'm providing them myself. (Part has already been done by naikonta.)
(Could not find anything for "obfu balls".)
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Re: Posting a series of articles...
by agianni (Hermit) on Jun 21, 2007 at 12:11 UTC
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My intent was to do the latter: multiple root nodes with similar titles. I think that will make it easier to track down the primary content. I'm happy to be a guinea pig with this and I'm happy to accept tactical comments to the postings if anyone finds that this method isn't working for some reason.
perl -e 'split//,q{john hurl, pest caretaker}and(map{print @_[$_]}(joi
+n(q{},map{sprintf(qq{%010u},$_)}(2**2*307*4993,5*101*641*5261,7*59*79
+*36997,13*17*71*45131,3**2*67*89*167*181))=~/\d{2}/g));'
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Re: Posting a series of articles...
by jdporter (Paladin) on Jun 22, 2007 at 18:44 UTC
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One point I think bears mentioning, if one is considering the second approach,
is this:
The key phrase should form only part of each article's title.
What sometimes happens is the author posts the initial article with a title
consisting of the key phrase only, and subsequent articles have that title plus something like "Part N" appended. This is a problem, if the idea is to
have they key phrase serve as a way of findably grouping the articles together.
For example:
Those title searches hit the "root" posts exactly, so you miss the subsequent articles, i.e.
This mistake was also made in the previously mentioned Balls! series.
To see what happens when this mistake is avoided, check out title searches such as
Perl Idioms Explained, The Lighter Side of Perl Culture, and The Drama of Being a Developer.
This leads to a corollary principle:
The key phrase in the titles should have uniqueness wrt all other posts not related to the series.
(I was a little concerned that Refactoring Perl doesn't have sufficient uniqueness; but it does — for the time being, at least.)
Example: a title search for I Hate C turns up a ton of unrelated stuff,
in addition to the desired hits, I Hate C, part I and I Hate C, part II.
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Yeah, I noticed that about the first Refactoring Perl node I posted. I'm planning on going back and changing that to "Refactoring Perl - A Proposal" or something like that. I also found that I can use supersearch to narrow down the search such that it would only ever retrieve my root node postings. I'm planning on putting a link to that search result on my home node at some point -- like once I have a few more written.
perl -e 'split//,q{john hurl, pest caretaker}and(map{print @_[$_]}(joi
+n(q{},map{sprintf(qq{%010u},$_)}(2**2*307*4993,5*101*641*5261,7*59*79
+*36997,13*17*71*45131,3**2*67*89*167*181))=~/\d{2}/g));'
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Re: Posting a series of articles...
by shmem (Chancellor) on Jun 20, 2007 at 22:27 UTC
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Another way would be posting something as DRAFT and updating that root node. To prevent that root node
to fall into oblivion update notes could be posted as replies. There are examples in jdporter's dacha.
--shmem
_($_=" "x(1<<5)."?\n".q·/)Oo. G°\ /
/\_¯/(q /
---------------------------- \__(m.====·.(_("always off the crowd"))."·
");sub _{s./.($e="'Itrs `mnsgdq Gdbj O`qkdq")=~y/"-y/#-z/;$e.e && print}
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Interesting that you bring that up. Indeed, I too was thinking of it as an example
of posting a series of articles as replies to an umbrella node.
However, your characterization that those replies update their parent is not quite accurate.
It could be done, of course; but my dacha (which I've restyled my "treehouse") is not an example of that.
OTOH, an example I've done of using a reply to update a root node, rather than modify the root, is Tk Photo Slideshow - Production Release.
A word spoken in Mind will reach its own level, in the objective world, by its own weight
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Another way would be posting something as DRAFT and updating that root node. To prevent that root node to fall into oblivion update notes could be posted as replies.
IIUC, this is a sort of variation on the first scheme I mentioned: it is interesting and efficient. But I fear it may cause some problems with replies from other people, if people are supposed to discuss the topic. Now that I think of it, for maximum efficiency -and depending on the actual kind of content- one could take a third approach consisting basically of both:
- the user, e.g. me posts an umbrella node with an indicative title, e.g. "blazar wants to do it" and explains there the stated goal of the planned series of articles, asking people to please do not post followups directly under that thread;
- he posts the first article as a separate root node in the appropriate section, with a title like "blazar wants to do it - part I: conquer the world (DRAFT)". He puts a link to the umbrella node and a link in the umbrella node, to the draft;
- after hundreds of monks contribute their words of wisdom about how to conquer the world, the user will want to update the original draft with all of their suggestions. Thus he will post a direct reply under the umbrella node with the finalized version, putting there a link to the draft version and vice versa;
- and so on for the other articles...
Sounds complex, but it sounds more than it actually is. It allows for separation between user discussions and nicely presented material. It is weak in that it depends on good will on part of "others" and however carefully you try to state something in an idiot proof manner, along comes a better idiot. But all in all I'm confident that as a scheme it would be robust enough. And yes: it allows for some DRY violation but not in an upsetting manner, IMHO.
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Re: Posting a series of articles...
by Anomynous Monk (Scribe) on Jun 21, 2007 at 02:21 UTC
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