Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by PsychoSpunk (Hermit) on Apr 11, 2001 at 01:47 UTC
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Good idea. Instead of punishing the "personality voters",
let's punish readers.
But wait, PsychoSpunk, isn't this more of a punishment
to the author of the node? Doesn't it hit him/her in the
ego? Of course it does. But let's take an easy example:
Lexicon posts a question to SoPW. In five minutes,
three replies have come in, and thanks to TIMTOWDI, they're
all different. Also, thanks to experience, merlyn has
provided the only correct answer. (Okay, so it's not likely
that 2 of 3 will be wrong, but it can happen.)
Well, Lexicon now has to try all three answers to
determine the validity of the "anonymous" poster. In the
end, he determines that merlyn's answer is the only
correct answer. But, he had to try each solution out.
Now for the current situation:
Lexicon gets his three replies. One from merlyn, one
from Anonymous Monk, and one from
someone who is still listed in the New Users on Newest Nodes.
Simple experience tells Lexicon that merlyn is generally
right, so he takes that answer, and it works for him.
Voting, in other words, is secondary to the main point of
the monastery.
P.S. - little, I had to -- because I want my last
sentence to mean something. If we put voting over the
primary reason for perlmonks.org, we're succumbing to two
minority sides that are having a tiff.
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agreed !
regarding your post scriptum: it is funny to see how contrary people think about that. The node consumed somewhat like 10 votes per now and have a look where it is.
Ok, but reading and writing about all that consumed how much of our time and brain?
Have a nice day
All decision is left to your taste
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Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by dws (Chancellor) on Apr 11, 2001 at 02:19 UTC
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Hiding the poster's name comes at a cost. The cost is that some of us, when looking at a thread that has grown long by the time we see it, skim quickly, and look first at people we know by reputation, to see if they've posted righteous solutions. It's a shortcut to find out if I have any value to add to the thread.
I hardly think this "anonymous downvoting" problem is so serious as to start giving up functionality.
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Isn't that also a cost if you skip what people say which you do not know since your childhood?? Doesn't that prevent you from getting new points of view?? Do you really evaluate first WHO said something and then evaluate what he said instead of giving the CONTENT the presedence???
I'm just asking - also myself :-)
Have a nice day
All decision is left to your taste
Update
Yes, I do believe that there are also different points of view and different opinions when we talk strictly about perl.
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(jcwren) Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by jcwren (Prior) on Apr 11, 2001 at 00:53 UTC
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Re: ++ & -- & :-( users - DISSENT
by OzzyOsbourne (Chaplain) on Apr 11, 2001 at 17:14 UTC
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I'm really tired of the "personality voting" discussion. I may be still wet behind the ears, but this seems to apply to a very few people. We are nameless, and faceless in this community. People know ONLY what we tell them ("I am 6'2", 195 lbs. of solid muscle, with abs of steel and a 220 IQ. I enjoy long walks, and fireside chats. I love kids, and making fine furniture for the ladies. I am an expert at Kung-fu and well versed at quantum mechanics. I don't have as much time for charity as I'd like as I am raising a litter of abandoned kittens...") and by the way we act.
Eliminating personality makes this a factual database, not a community. In a community, you have friends, enemies, fun, and conflict. You have bad days (It's true. It happens.). If I act like a jerk, I expect my analog friends to say so. If someone doesn't like me, don't shake my hand. Call me a jerk. That's the way it goes. Say it too my face, if you can, but if you can't, yell it from across the street. It doesn't matter. Not everyone is going to like me, and that's OK. That's life.
I am also of the opinion that some of my posts suck so badly that you may want to -- them 2x or 3x. If you can't, vote down another of my posts. Whatever. It may not be right in my mind, but you're going to do what you're going to do.
If I am being personality voted, I *may* have a problem with my personality. I may not. It may be you, but I am open to the fact that it may be me, too.
A year ago, when someone kept harassing me trying to persuade me to do something I did not want to do, I got VERY VERY frustrated. I expressed to my wise aunt who asked me simply, "If someone asks you to dance, and you don't want to, let them do their dance. They will eventually get tired and go away." In other words, don't waste the energy dealing with people that you don't like.
Maybe I'll start posting my daily up and down votes on my home node with a small paragraph for each reasoning why I voted the way I did. Then again, I am way too lazy for that.
-OzzyOsbourne
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Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by Masem (Monsignor) on Apr 11, 2001 at 00:59 UTC
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Besides the sig problem, there's also the problem that some people's posts can be identified simply by language patterns and idioms that they use in the post.
Dr. Michael K. Neylon - mneylon-pm@masemware.com
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"You've left the lens cap of your mind on again, Pinky" - The Brain
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Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by LD2 (Curate) on Apr 11, 2001 at 02:48 UTC
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another problem is that .. if you are the one asking the question, and someone responds -
but you don't quite understand their response or have questions about it - how can you
message the user and ask them further.. without writing another post? Also in a long thread.. it'd be nice to
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Isn't it better to reply to the replier when his answer is not clear to you? Wouln't that more help others reading the thread? Replies should only be made to the node you want to reply to. So whether you reply to the root node or to a node of the thread (and all of them have their own little reply link next right to them). So your argument is not very strong, eh? But don't worry, mine is neither.
All I want is not ++ & -- & :-(
but I want perl & wisdom & :-)
So I guess all I want is CONTENT?
And if hiding the authors name does support that then it's welcome to me.
Have a nice day
All decision is left to your taste
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Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by Beatnik (Parson) on Apr 11, 2001 at 03:12 UTC
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Well we could always turn it into a game where you should guess who wrote the node and you can get XPs if you guess right :)
Greetz
Beatnik
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