No, I'm not joining the bandwagon to discuss anonymity or whatever.
Just a simple idea for an effective solution:
Hide the authors name for the one who votes until after he voted.
Didn't and Doesn't that work fine to prevent from bandwagon voting?

Have a nice day
All decision is left to your taste
but sadly I would have to remove my signature :-(

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Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by PsychoSpunk (Hermit) on Apr 11, 2001 at 01:47 UTC
    Good idea. Instead of punishing the "personality voters", let's punish readers.

    But wait, PsychoSpunk, isn't this more of a punishment to the author of the node? Doesn't it hit him/her in the ego? Of course it does. But let's take an easy example:

    Lexicon posts a question to SoPW. In five minutes, three replies have come in, and thanks to TIMTOWDI, they're all different. Also, thanks to experience, merlyn has provided the only correct answer. (Okay, so it's not likely that 2 of 3 will be wrong, but it can happen.)

    Well, Lexicon now has to try all three answers to determine the validity of the "anonymous" poster. In the end, he determines that merlyn's answer is the only correct answer. But, he had to try each solution out.

    Now for the current situation:

    Lexicon gets his three replies. One from merlyn, one from Anonymous Monk, and one from someone who is still listed in the New Users on Newest Nodes. Simple experience tells Lexicon that merlyn is generally right, so he takes that answer, and it works for him.

    Voting, in other words, is secondary to the main point of the monastery.

    P.S. - little, I had to -- because I want my last sentence to mean something. If we put voting over the primary reason for perlmonks.org, we're succumbing to two minority sides that are having a tiff.

    ALL HAIL BRAK!!!

      agreed !
      regarding your post scriptum: it is funny to see how contrary people think about that. The node consumed somewhat like 10 votes per now and have a look where it is.
      Ok, but reading and writing about all that consumed how much of our time and brain?

      Have a nice day
      All decision is left to your taste
Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by dws (Chancellor) on Apr 11, 2001 at 02:19 UTC
    Hiding the poster's name comes at a cost. The cost is that some of us, when looking at a thread that has grown long by the time we see it, skim quickly, and look first at people we know by reputation, to see if they've posted righteous solutions. It's a shortcut to find out if I have any value to add to the thread.

    I hardly think this "anonymous downvoting" problem is so serious as to start giving up functionality.

      Isn't that also a cost if you skip what people say which you do not know since your childhood?? Doesn't that prevent you from getting new points of view?? Do you really evaluate first WHO said something and then evaluate what he said instead of giving the CONTENT the presedence???
      I'm just asking - also myself :-)

      Have a nice day
      All decision is left to your taste
      Update
      Yes, I do believe that there are also different points of view and different opinions when we talk strictly about perl.
        My use of "solutions" is (or should be) a hint that I'm talking about threads that discuss a technical issue or problem, rather than opinion threads. Since I often spend half of my day without any votes left, looking over an entire "problem" thread is something I prefer to short-circuit where possible in favor of moving on to some other thread where I might have something of value to add.

        If we were to staring hiding names, I'd lose the ability to take that shortcut.

(jcwren) Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by jcwren (Prior) on Apr 11, 2001 at 00:53 UTC

    Except I *always* sign my posts.

    --Chris

    e-mail jcwren
Re: ++ & -- & :-( users - DISSENT
by OzzyOsbourne (Chaplain) on Apr 11, 2001 at 17:14 UTC

    I'm really tired of the "personality voting" discussion. I may be still wet behind the ears, but this seems to apply to a very few people. We are nameless, and faceless in this community. People know ONLY what we tell them ("I am 6'2", 195 lbs. of solid muscle, with abs of steel and a 220 IQ. I enjoy long walks, and fireside chats. I love kids, and making fine furniture for the ladies. I am an expert at Kung-fu and well versed at quantum mechanics. I don't have as much time for charity as I'd like as I am raising a litter of abandoned kittens...") and by the way we act.

    Eliminating personality makes this a factual database, not a community. In a community, you have friends, enemies, fun, and conflict. You have bad days (It's true. It happens.). If I act like a jerk, I expect my analog friends to say so. If someone doesn't like me, don't shake my hand. Call me a jerk. That's the way it goes. Say it too my face, if you can, but if you can't, yell it from across the street. It doesn't matter. Not everyone is going to like me, and that's OK. That's life.

    I am also of the opinion that some of my posts suck so badly that you may want to -- them 2x or 3x. If you can't, vote down another of my posts. Whatever. It may not be right in my mind, but you're going to do what you're going to do.

    If I am being personality voted, I *may* have a problem with my personality. I may not. It may be you, but I am open to the fact that it may be me, too.

    A year ago, when someone kept harassing me trying to persuade me to do something I did not want to do, I got VERY VERY frustrated. I expressed to my wise aunt who asked me simply, "If someone asks you to dance, and you don't want to, let them do their dance. They will eventually get tired and go away." In other words, don't waste the energy dealing with people that you don't like.

    Maybe I'll start posting my daily up and down votes on my home node with a small paragraph for each reasoning why I voted the way I did. Then again, I am way too lazy for that.

    -OzzyOsbourne

Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by Masem (Monsignor) on Apr 11, 2001 at 00:59 UTC
    Besides the sig problem, there's also the problem that some people's posts can be identified simply by language patterns and idioms that they use in the post.
    Dr. Michael K. Neylon - mneylon-pm@masemware.com || "You've left the lens cap of your mind on again, Pinky" - The Brain
Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by LD2 (Curate) on Apr 11, 2001 at 02:48 UTC
    another problem is that .. if you are the one asking the question, and someone responds - but you don't quite understand their response or have questions about it - how can you message the user and ask them further.. without writing another post? Also in a long thread.. it'd be nice to see whose replying to who..
      Isn't it better to reply to the replier when his answer is not clear to you? Wouln't that more help others reading the thread? Replies should only be made to the node you want to reply to. So whether you reply to the root node or to a node of the thread (and all of them have their own little reply link next right to them). So your argument is not very strong, eh? But don't worry, mine is neither.

      All I want is not ++ & -- & :-(
      but
      I want perl & wisdom & :-)

      So I guess all I want is CONTENT?
      And if hiding the authors name does support that then it's welcome to me.

      Have a nice day
      All decision is left to your taste
Re: ++ & -- & :-( users
by Beatnik (Parson) on Apr 11, 2001 at 03:12 UTC
    Well we could always turn it into a game where you should guess who wrote the node and you can get XPs if you guess right :)

    Greetz
    Beatnik
    ... Quidquid perl dictum sit, altum viditur.